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  1. Chickenhawk

    Chickenhawk A Bad Idea Contributor

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    Spikes = :yesway:

    I can't say anything bad about Spikes, as all my experiences have been positive. I'm sure they have their drawbacks, but I never experienced them. I'm in the market for a higher-tier AR than Spikes, but I wouldn't pass one up if I found the right deal.

    Ever used a bullpup? Like, actually run one through it's paces in a tactical setting? I have...they suck :lol:
    If you found different, please let me know. I WANT to like bullpups like I did before actually having used a few.

    For all the money I'd spend on a bullpup I could get a proper CQB carbine: an LWRC PSD.

    [​IMG]

    Go to the local shop (not McBribes), and fiddle around with a few AR's. See what you like. Then go home, and order a BCM.


    Whatever you end up getting, get a Magpul AFG for it. Seriously. I have one on my 870, will be putting one on my AK when the new foregrip gets here, and the AR will have one. Hell, If I could figure out how to put one on my 1911 and Glocks I would :rofl:
     
  2. Kodee_Kaos

    Kodee_Kaos NegRep For Free Porn

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    On your choices:

    M1A: Powerful gun with an excellent track record. Keep in mind the weight of the gun, ammo, and of course the price of both. That is a $1500+ gun in stock configuration, and the cost to stockpile ammo isn't going to be cheap. However, 308 is a very serious round with excellent range, and could be used for big game hunting, something where I think the other choices fall short.

    Mini-14: Meh. All I have to say. Ruger products are sort of intermediate quality. Parts will also be less plentiful than that of an AR.

    AR-15: Very versatile weapon. I'd go with a mid-length gas system, as they tend to be more reliable than a carbine length system(or a rifle length if you go with a 18"+ barrel). Piston sytems are cool, but they will add a lot of front-end bulk. Also keep in mind, a .22lr conversion kit can be had for about $250. You can swap out an AR to .22 in about 30 seconds and BAM, exact same optics, trigger pull, and ergonomics.

    SIG 556: Good choice. They are similar to an AK in that they have a gas piston system, and the charging handle is right on the bolt carrier, which is nice. Not much more expensive than an entry-level AR. Supposed to be extremely accurate. No .22lr kit is available for it AFAIK, but you can get a .22lr clone.
     
  3. Sicarius

    Sicarius Reggie J Worthington

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    Wait a couple of months for the gun shops to stop fear mongering, and get something.

    If you're thinking of getting a distance/plinker AR, and you like the 22, get the S&W, people seem to really like them, and if you want to do distance stuff, just get a fast twist barrel and see how your gun takes to Aguila SSS rounds.

    If you want to shoot current production ammo in an M1 you'll need to get an adjustable gas valve to shoot regular .30-06 you can get anywhere. They're cheap, you're just going to have to take the time to set it up.

    If you want something fun, cheap, and accurate as shit, just get a Mosin Nagant.

    Ammo is usually $12 for a package of 20 surplus corrosive ammo. There's modern current production, it costs a little more. I'm actually thinking of letting my Mosin go to a coworker; the 7.62x54R is a bit much for me, and I don't have anywhere to shoot it.
     
  4. texshred777

    texshred777 SS.org Regular

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    No I've never gone through any tactical live fire training with a bullpup. Only shot an FN for a bit in a range setting.

    The closest thing to a tactical training exercise I've done(and I am acknowledging it is not the same at all) is an active shooter, shoot/don't shoot simulation I did at work. It's basically a trailer with a really large screen and an airsoft gun 10 feet away. Said air soft gun is aimed at you by someone behind a screen. It's synced up with the software so when a combatant shoots at you the gun fires. You use either a glock/AR/shotgun with an electric firing system.

    The scenarios ranged from traffic stops to a school shooting with numerous combatants. Funny thing is I scored higher than all but one of the officers. He was a marine/Iraq vet. I however am not an officer or former military(I tried but DQ'd due to a Malignant Hyperthermia history). It was amazing watching how poorly many of the officers shot and they'd get riddled with 6mm pellets. I had a hell of a time doing it, even confirming kills after shooting an assailant. Not Kosher for an officer, but again I'm not an officer. The guy running the sim nearly swallowed his chew from laughing.

    The AR they had was a DPMS I believe. The trigger on that sucked. Hard.
     
  5. Philligan

    Philligan The White-Knuckler Contributor

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    Being Canadian, this thread fascinates me. :yesway:
     
  6. McKay

    McKay ʎɐʞɔW

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    I thought Canadian gun laws weren't too bad?
     
  7. yellowv

    yellowv Turd Ferguson Contributor

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    Go AR. M1's are nice, but not as fun to shoot. Mini 14's are crap. Not nearly as accurate as an AR or M1 and too expensive for what it is. I would build a lower and go Spikes or BCM for an upper. AR's are just so damn modular. So many parts out there to build exactly what you want. Here is mine.
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    Oh so now you gonna waltz in here and get all tactical, huh?
     
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    texshred777 SS.org Regular

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    I like that handguard. That bolt release is different than what I usually see. I'm assuming that's for being able to tap it with the trigger finger?

    I'd considered going the build route, as I'd get to accumulate quality stuff a piece at a time.
     
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    MetalGravy Making a meat suit

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    There's a place for you, my friend. :rolleyes:

    The Liberal Gun Club
     
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    leandroab Stay Negative™

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    mr_rainmaker Resident Cherokee

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  13. yellowv

    yellowv Turd Ferguson Contributor

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    I would recommend building your lower. Any quality forged lower is as good as another. You pay more for logo's, better fit and finish, etc. but as long as it's an in spec forged lower any one is as good as any other. You can find a good lower for $100 or less if you look. For parts kits I like CMT/Stag and Daniel Defense. Both are quality kits with good stock triggers. A lower is super easy to assemble. Plus you can put whatever stock, trigger guard, etc on that you want. Always go Mil-Spec over commercial parts. As for the upper I am also a BCM guy. Reasonable prices and top tier parts. Spikes is also great and a little cheaper, but IMO BCM is a step up. Daniel Defense is also top tier. If you wanna go ultra top end there is also Noveske, but IMO your just paying for the name. Quality is top notch, but you pay for it. Mine is a carbine, but I would go middy if I were you. I built mine while I was still on a M4 kick. The middy will be a little smoother, although my carbine with a heavy buffer and comp is smooth as silk and operates flawlessly. As you can see I like Magpul. My rifle is covered in the stuff. Great parts at reasonable prices that just flat out work. That bolt release lever is a Magpul BAD lever which as you figured out allows you to drop the bolt with your trigger finger. I am not a fan of the Magpul AFG on carbines or shorties. Way too cramped. On a middy or rifle length handguard they work great. I also have some IWC stuff on my rifle ie. front sling mount (rear is Noveske) light mount, handstop, etc. IWC is also a great company. The CEO is a friend of mine and he and his company are good people. Light is Surefire and the sight is Eotech. My rear sight is a BCM marked Troy. My rifle has undergone many changes and I think I finally have the perfect setup for me.... for now. If you have any specific parts questions or anything just ask. I have a good amount of AR experience.
     
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  14. yellowv

    yellowv Turd Ferguson Contributor

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    I actually consulted on IWC's Flashlight mount for the Magpul MOE handguard so my buddy at IWC made me a custom one.
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  15. Furtive Glance

    Furtive Glance "Bite my glorious, golden ass!"

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    Came here to post the same thing. Very interesting!
     
  16. Philligan

    Philligan The White-Knuckler Contributor

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    The laws are kinda stiff (it takes years of regular effort to be able to legally own a handgun) but it's more just like the whole culture, I guess. I play video games and think guns are pretty bad ass, but actually owning one isn't really something that would ever enter my mind.

    I just find it really interesting that these look like what I see in movies and games, and you guys talk about owning them so casually. :lol: :)
     
  17. texshred777

    texshred777 SS.org Regular

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    Murica.
     
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    texshred777 SS.org Regular

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    I've actually been looking at getting an AR with 18" barrel.

    I hadn't seen that BAD lever setup before. I like it and definitely want one on my rifle. :yesway:
     
  19. yellowv

    yellowv Turd Ferguson Contributor

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    Not really many choices out there with an 18" bbl other than like the expensive special purpose and recce stuff. 14.5 and 16 are the most common. IMO really no need for the extra length unless you want to do a real precision target or sniper build. A 14.5-16" bbl will reach out over 300-400 yards no problem and will handle better. Also pretty much any good AR platform is more accurate than 99% of shooters. The AR is inherently a very accurate design. If I was building one right now I would go 14.5" middy. Mine is a 16" and IMO the main advantage to the 16" is that you don't have to have a permanently attached muzzle device. With the 14.5 it has to be a device long enough to make the bbl 16" total to meet federal regulation and it has to be pinned and welded.
     
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    texshred777 SS.org Regular

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    16" is the minimum Id really want.

    The fact is I do want to start doing longer range and match work. I also want to be able to go do some of the tactical shooting training available. My father and I are talking about doing one together.

    I'll probably start with a 16" upper and later pick up an upper with 18" bb. Or just pick up another barrel and handguard...decisions decisions.

    Edit: Obviously I'm not a ground troop who would need to be able to switch from a tactical 16" upper with dot optics to the 18" with scope quickly, but the convenience factor is great nonetheless.
     

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