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Discussion in 'Jazz, Acoustic, Classical & Fingerstyle' started by buck fever, Apr 11, 2020.
These are fantastic! Thanks for sharing these!
It does help to put all pertinent info in the first post. Or else this thread happens.
Jaxadam cleaned up, close it up.
Is the background of the person I’m requesting sheet music for pertinent? Can you not just ask your community for a chord chart here? I guess maybe this particular sub board is different from the rest of seven string.org.
And you're posting to a public forum. Nobody needs to qualify a "You don't appear to know what you're talking about." reply. Get over it.
Your initial posts made about much sense as: "Anybody got a good Sachertorte recipe? I know a kid that's made a few Betty Crocker Cake mixes." or "The neighbor kid ran a 10k, anybody know any good marathon routes?" So in this case, as in many, yes complete details help.
What in the shit is going on in this thread lol?
Dude posts on an internet forum asking if anyone has XYZ.
No he doesn't need to qualify why he wants it.
And no, you don't have to help. You could ignore the thread.
You can politely ask why he wants it, instead of being angry turdburglars and deconstructing his motives.
Instead of shitting on him for why he wanted the complex piece, why not say "hey it sounds like he should start with something like ABC first".
tl;dr y'all getting COVID Crazy. Save the anger for the actual COVID thread .
I'm not sure how you can both be a champion of being polite to people on the internet and call a group of people angry turdburglars at the same time.
Good job though.
Two more points...
1. What if someone sees this thread and has their musical interests broadened? Isn't that one of the cool aspects of having an internet forum? Randomly coming across a Johnny Hiland YT product demo opened me up to country. Gambale REH and DCI VHS tapes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS) got me into fusion which led to (some) jazz. If you're a jazz wanker (i.e. one who burgles turds) don't you want other people to also discover what is awesome about jazz?
2. I've taken a stab at many musical pieces I wasn't ready or capable to play (e.g. Jason Becker), but that doesn't mean I can't learn snippets, techniques, phrasing, melodic ideas, etc. from a more complex work. I remember trying to learn a solo from Practice What You Preach by Alex Skolnick way back in the day. I absolutely couldn't master 90% of it, but I copped a cool modified sweep/rake that I use to this day. Besides, it was fun and it was what I wanted to do with my hobby.
Actually though, if you were a true jazz wanker, you’d know that every time someone else starts to like jazz, you lose a little bit of your smug sense of jazz superiority. Jazz wanking is an exclusive club that maintains its exclusivity by excluding people.
You guys got me, I'm the guy that hides all the jazz knowledge. My name is Albert Jazz, my father William Jazz invented the genre so I believe I have a right to pick who learns its secrets.
I (and I assume others did too) read the OP's OP as a definite not understanding what you're getting into. The chord progression for Giant Steps is actually pretty trivial, that's why it has the position it has as an IMPROVISATION standard. If you need TABS OF BASIC, STANDARD CHORDS, then trying to play Giant Steps, as intended, is indeed too much to handle and would likely result in a teen saying F-this.
If, instead, the request was for tabs of IMPROVISATIONS performed by others to ROTE MEMORIZE, that seems like expanding ones boundaries; however, OP didn't say that. In addition, when asked for details so that folks could supply the best fit, for the intended purpose, OP got all tRump-like, don't question me, point-out my errors, give me what I want even though I didn't give you enough information to satisfy the task.
Hence, my analogies. Anybody at the cake mix stage, that can't even find a recipe on their own, should not attempt to make a sachertorte. Anybody that has only recently completed a 10K and can't find a marathon route on their own, will more likely than not, sour themselves on running trying to do a marathon.
The reason this spiraled, is because the OP got snarky when people pointed out that the minimal information he provided made it look like he was setting the kid up for failure/frustration.
Someone being sarcastic on ss.o?! - be still my heart! I keed I keed...
But I think you hit the nail on the head.
When I bought my first electric guitar, the salesman told me it came with three free guitar lessons from the store's resident teacher. I though, "Cool! I want to learn some Led Zeppelin or something!" When I showed up for lesson one, the guy was on the phone the entire time, then came in and said time was up, but that he wanted me to learn "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and escorted me out. The next week, I complained that it was too hard, asked him if I could learn some Led Zeppelin, so he gave me some Luigi Boccherini piece instead and brow beat me about not practicing. The third lesson, I had learned the Boccherini piece, but he just wigged out and played with action figures and told me stories about his friend stepping on an old land mine and blowing himself up as a kid. Needless to say I didn't go back, despite the store's offer to extend an extra lesson to make up for the one where the guy was on the phone.
I wonder if the guy who wants to teach a beginner how to play Giant Steps is the same guy I had for my three lessons from hell. [jk]
A bit of a derail, when I started to play, my first teacher would only teach scales and claimed that if I tried to learn songs (even on my own) before I mastered "all 12 scales", I would run my ability to play.
Wow this thread turned into a bit of a turd fest from just a simple question. Anyway, I used to gig out jazz back in the day and really the place you should start with learning any jazz piece from paper are the Real Books. If you are not familiar with these type in 'Jazz Real Books' and read up about them and what they are about. They are multi-volume and each one consists of a hundred or so jazz standards. You should be able to find a volume or two by adding the search term 'pdf'. And yes Giant Steps is in one of the volumes. Seek and yea shall find.
It's laughable how presumptuous some of the responses have been in this thread. "setting the kid up for failure"....? Are you kidding me? There is absolutely nothing wrong with learning material that's out of your grasp, no matter what stage of playing you're at. Obviously if the student has no interest or drive, then it will go nowhere. There is no "right" or "wrong" material to learn, and it doesn't matter if it's via tab or sheet music or ear. If the student persists in their methods, he/she will go far. It's a creative discipline, part of the beauty lies in how people approach music from all different angles.
I spent years playing Necrophagist and Yngwie songs terribly at half speed when I started playing guitar, and those painstaking years were huge for my development. The advanced nature of the material provided me with a rich, technical blueprint that allowed me to learn a plethora of techniques without having to sit through hours of boring exercises.
The guy asked for one thing, and instead people swarmed in here to attack him and assume he's a bad teacher and shove inherently wrong philosophies on learning instruments down his throat. I hope Giant Steps blows this kid's mind and it propels him to shred your faces off.
Its like you didn't read the thread
Alright, what did I miss? I see there's evidence of posts getting edited/deleted, so that might account for my lapse in understanding here. But I don't agree with the general undertone in this thread. OP is not required to give any details whatsoever, and he reacted appropriately to the snobby responses in this thread. The majority of people who responded to the original question came at it from a negative assumption regarding the kid's playing/passion and attacked OP's character as a "teacher". How is that okay?