Fryette Deliverance 120 series two question

[zodiactone]

I’m really considering getting but there are none locally. I love amps with a lot of saturation, how does the deliverance sound playing modern metal? Not Djent, but more death, deathcore, metalcore styles?

Please post some clips if you have any

 

[MatrixClaw]

If you love saturation you won't like the Deliverance. The SigX is their most saturated amp and it's not really THAT saturated.

 

[BurningRome]

I've owned the following Fryettes, Ultra Lead, Deliverance 60, Deliverance 120, Sig X, Pittbull Classic and Pittbull CLX. Some of these amps I've owned several times and found them all to be similar in gain voicing and to have plenty of gain for metal, no boost pedals needed.

I actually traded one of my Deliverance 120's to one of the guys of The Acacia Strain and there are other notable metal users of these, early Unearth for example.

I liked the note definition from all these amps, they're all consistent in that regard.

For me, Fryette is my #1 and I've cycled through a lot of other great brands.

Really it's a matter of what do you need from the amp. I needed good definition because we used a lot of rhythmic Delay ran into the input of the amps and it did it better than other amps. Most I had to really dial back the gain.

Like any amp or opinion on the board, it will always come down to personal taste and you won't know until you give it a run yourself for what you do.

Good luck. Hope it helped.

 

[ShredmasterD]

Had a Sig-x and a Deliverance 60., VHT era. I found they had plenty of gain and very clear definition. I was playing metal, but not high speed staccato rhythm stuff. I regret selling them but it was necessary at the time. they smelled good too. no really, they did. They took pedals in front really well. They weren't like a 5150 or a recto in flavor, the pre amp sections are gainy but clear. not sure how to describe it.

 

[-Cetanu-]

I have never played an Aether and can't remember how it felt playing the Memphis but Pittbull, Deliverance, GP3, GP/DI, Sig:X are similar in gain structure/voicing in my experience and they have plenty of gain.

These amps are great for modern metal IMO and the series II seems to be a tad more saturated than the og Deliverance but they're no ENGL Powerball saturation-wise.

I prefer to play "tight" and dynamic amps for great note definition/separation and I really like the Deliverance but they aren't overly saturated. But even If I want/need more saturation occasionally I actually prefer to boost the Deliverance instead of playing through my 5150 for example. So, even if you like a lot of saturation I wouldn't write them off and we might have different views on what "a lot of saturation" actually translates to in an amp.

IIRC Unearth III was all Deliverance 120.

 

[protest]

Don't do it.

1) You like amps with lots of saturation, and Fryette amps are the polar opposite of that
2) The Series II is expensive and by all accounts not nearly as good as the original

I don't have any first hand experience on that second point, just what I've seen from people who have owned both versions.

I'd recommend EVH or ENGL for what you like.

 

[BurningRome]

Don't do it.

1) You like amps with lots of saturation, and Fryette amps are the polar opposite of that
2) The Series II is expensive and by all accounts not nearly as good as the original

I don't have any first hand experience on that second point, just what I've seen from people who have owned both versions.

I'd recommend EVH or ENGL for what you like.

Had both the Deliverance Mki and Mkii. Pretty much the same in regard to tone and amount of gain which is a lot of gain.

 

[-Cetanu-]

2) The Series II is expensive and by all accounts not nearly as good as the original

Bullshit.

I don't have any first hand experience on that second point,

Thought so.

 

[Asdrael]

I had the DL 60 and the SIG:X. There are tons of gain on tap. It just always is so freaking dry and tight and "together" that it feels you could always add more gain. But the trick is to keep the gain reasonable and use your right hand to control it, as those amps are extremely dynamic. It's really a case of the tone (saturation) is in your (right) hand. It's a very specific type of sound and playstyle. Mind you they take boosts in front very well too.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

I can't really help with the deliverance question, but fryettes in general have muuuuuch less saturation than other modern metal amps.

My early 90s Ultralead had jack shit for gain compared to my more recent Pittbull 100CL. The 100CL can do the dry/tight Fryette thing, but it also has wayyy more gain on tap compared to the early 90s ultralead I had. Pittbulls really work well with pedals in front too ime. They're still nowhere near as saturated as say a Mesa Mark, or 5150 or 6505, or dual rec.

here's a vid of my 100cl with a boost in front:

 

[protest]

Bullshit.


Thought so.

Nah you didn't think it, I literally told you. That's all I've seen from people that have owned both, which is why I said it and why I clarified that it wasn't coming from me.

 

[Hollowway]

I've owned the following Fryettes, Ultra Lead, Deliverance 60, Deliverance 120, Sig X, Pittbull Classic and Pittbull CLX. Some of these amps I've owned several times and found them all to be similar in gain voicing and to have plenty of gain for metal, no boost pedals needed.

I actually traded one of my Deliverance 120's to one of the guys of The Acacia Strain and there are other notable metal users of these, early Unearth for example.

I liked the note definition from all these amps, they're all consistent in that regard.

For me, Fryette is my #1 and I've cycled through a lot of other great brands.

Really it's a matter of what do you need from the amp. I needed good definition because we used a lot of rhythmic Delay ran into the input of the amps and it did it better than other amps. Most I had to really dial back the gain.

Like any amp or opinion on the board, it will always come down to personal taste and you won't know until you give it a run yourself for what you do.

Good luck. Hope it helped.

You're a good person to ask, then: What is the primary difference between the Pittbull and the Deliverance? I've got a 50CL and a UL, and was looking to (eventually) buy a D60 or D120, but I can't get a consistent read on what they sound like, comparatively speaking. I've heard they sound like the green channel on the 50CL and 100CL. I've heard they sound like the crunch channel on the UL. I've heard they're drier than the Pittbulls. I've heard they're less dry than the pittbulls. I've heard they're looser than the pittbulls. I've heard they're the tightest amp in the Fryette line. I've heard they sound totally different from the UL. I've heard they sound exactly like the UL.

 

[ExMachina]

It's one of my favorites in the axefx if that counts. One interesting thing I've found is that this amp is kind of opposite of typical high gain models, in that it's actually desirable to push the MV up and keep the channel volume low. I think the reason is because of the low NFB on the power amp. So it's best to get some extra clipping from the power amp stage. I think this also makes the depth and presence knobs more effective.

 

[Aynirar27]

I wouldn’t say the series II have more saturation, but I do think they slightly lack the definition of the series I and vht era models.
It’s still a sledgehammer of an amp, but I found the series ii is missing a little punch and attitude that made the originals great.

 

[GreatGreen]

It's one of my favorites in the axefx if that counts. One interesting thing I've found is that this amp is kind of opposite of typical high gain models, in that it's actually desirable to push the MV up and keep the channel volume low. I think the reason is because of the low NFB on the power amp. So it's best to get some extra clipping from the power amp stage. I think this also makes the depth and presence knobs more effective.

The Deliverance only has a single Master Volume control.

 

[ExMachina]

The Deliverance only has a single Master Volume control.

Doesn't matter in digital world. They added a solo MV in 2020, don't know what that's doing though.

 

[GreatGreen]

Doesn't matter in digital world. They added a solo MV in 2020, don't know what that's doing though.

The Solo Master Volume is just a switchable alternate switchable Master Volume control for solo boosts and stuff.

I'm just saying there is no "channel volume" control on the Deliverance that would impact negative feedback in some different way than the "regular Master Volume" control like you claimed. There is also no "channel volume" control that is separate from the Master Volume control in the Axe-Fx model of the Deliverance, so I really have no idea what you're talking about there.

There is only a single Master Volume control on the Deliverance, on both the real amp and the Axe-Fx model.

 

[ExMachina]

In just saying in the axe you can push the MV and then use the level. So you'd need a load box to mimic that with the real amp. I had recalled seeing fryette saying something about pushing the MV and setting channel volume lower, must have been a different model.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

In just saying in the axe you can push the MV and then use the level. So you'd need a load box to mimic that with the real amp. I had recalled seeing fryette saying something about pushing the MV and setting channel volume lower, must have been a different model.

He was talking about the Pittbulls. Pushing the MV and lowering the channel volume increases the dynamics iirc. It definitely feels better than running the channel volume higher tbh

 

[Hollowway]

I wouldn’t say the series II have more saturation, but I do think they slightly lack the definition of the series I and vht era models.
It’s still a sledgehammer of an amp, but I found the series ii is missing a little punch and attitude that made the originals great.

Is it possible that it's kind of a placebo effect, though? It's rare that anyone thinks a newer amp sounds better than the old one. The 5150s suffered from this, the THR, the Mesa Marks, etc. I wonder if it isn't just our mind valuing the older product. I suggest this because Steve Fryette has the best ears in the business, and I can't imagine he'd sacrifice some of the definition that is the hallmark of Fryette amps.