Fireman 8 string

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  1. Hollowway

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    OK, so I mentioned in another thread that I'm tempted to cut off the wings of one of my Intrepids and glue on Fireman wings, and make myself a Fireman 8 string. So here is my question:

    How do I scale up a six string template for 8 strings? I know it has to be scaled up, because I think guitars that are not scaled up for ERGs look ridiculous. But does anyone know if it's as simple as zooming out the body shape until the width of the neck pocket matches the width of the 8 string neck? Or is it more of an eyeballing thing?
     
  2. MF_Kitten

    MF_Kitten Set up us the bomb

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    You can just zoom it up to the right size.
     
  3. Hollowway

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    Cool, thanks.

    And would it be safe to say that putting a top on a neckthru guitar is impossible? I'm imagining it would be, but I've seen stranger things done. I figure that after sectioning it I'm either going to put a top on it, paint it, or, if it looks decent, just finish it natural with the new wings. But that might be dicey.
     
  4. sehnomatic

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    Shouldn't be too hard

    Just don't rough the top out with a jigsaw, the violent motion of a jigsaw blade tends to break maple tops.
     
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    Really cool video, It helped alot to see the process done instead of just looking at pics and such, I have been wanting to bend a top over an arm contour for a while but too scared to mess up a nice top from breaking it...
     
  6. Hollowway

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    Dude! That video is awesome. Here I've been told it's impossible to do, and that made it look like a piece of cake. I'm sure I'll eff it up sufficiently :lol: but just knowing it can be done gives me hope!
     
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    There's another good video i spotted the other day showing another method of bending a slightly thicker drop top over a forearm contour.
    I've seen quite a few people use this method too including the guys at the Ibanez J.Custom workshop in Japan. This method doesn't involve any soaking or dampening of the wood either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpRyLNqzfTk
     
  8. Hollowway

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    That's cool! Watching these videos is WAY more useful that photo tutorials or books.
     
  9. jwade

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    Just for fun, I decided to take a Fireman template I have and scale it up based on the measurements for the TAM100 & the M80Ms neck width at the last fret (80 mm). I overlayed the normal Fireman template with it set to Paul's most recent Fireman's necks width at it's last fret (57 mm).

    I don't think it works very well, looks monstrously huge. I think it'd make more sense to just bump up the body by a half inch or so overall.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. MF_Kitten

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    yep, basically screw zooming it to the right size :lol:

    8 string bodies are usually just slightly adjusted. The RG8 has a thicker upper horn. That's all.

    Maybe just leave it the way it is?
     
  11. crg123

    crg123 SS.orgLocalArchitect

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    ^ :lol: the Size looks like one of those Dean ML basses.
     
  12. pondman

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    I don't understand why you want to make the whole body bigger. I usually just make the body wider by 12mm for every extra string.
     
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    There are a few Fireman 7 string bodies on eBay. Could you possibly get one of those and cut the wings off to use? BTW... I love the Fireman style. This intrigues me.
     
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    I say fvck it. Scale up the whole body.
    More tone than you'd know what to do with!
     
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    I actually think 7s and 8s look better than a standard guitar. The necks on a 6 just look too thin in comparison to the body.

    So, no. Don't scale it up, but widen it a little so you still have nice-shaped cutaways.
     
  16. The Spanish Inquisition

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    This should be done, just because it will be a monster of a body.
     
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    Wow I've thought the same thing. Only a few guitars have managed to really look perfect with 6 string neck widths. 7's are the perfect size IMO, and 8's are the big brothers.
     
  18. Alex Kenivel

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    If you decide to make it happen, I'd be stoked to see it
     
  19. TheWarAgainstTime

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    I'd scale up the body to a 7 string size, then just make the neck pocket wider and maybe adjust the cutaways a little.

    Also, why rip apart the Intrepid? Seems like a lot more work than it'd ultimately be worth, especially when you can get an 8 string neck blank from Carvin and not have to sacrifice the Agile.
     
  20. darren

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    Many 7-string and 8-string guitars use bodies that are the same dimensions as their 6-string counterparts. The RG7 and RG8 are the same size as RG 6-strings, only the RG8 has a slightly different lower cutaway. I personally find that when a body is widened for the extra strings, it starts to look a little ungainly.
     

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