Fender to Introduce More Signature Guitars for Female Artists

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  1. narad

    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    I've never heard of wearing alluring clothing as a "sexual attack" before. You're describing a person's appearance as a possible source of "attack", describing their intent to target you, and you saying something about their appearance is a "reaction" that is justified or provoked. It's the opposite.

    I mean like.. what, if I put a freshly-baked pie on the window sill, is that a flavor attack to those walking by? And if anyone eats it, well, I had it coming? That's basically your logic here as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    I see what you're saying. My point is that people doing it know exactly what they're doing. If I wear nothing but a sock and g-string in public or on stage, and have a bunch of track marks going up my arm, I know it's for attention and would be faking it if I was "upset" that people were objectifying me as a freak or having problems of some sort. That's all I'm saying is that most people objectifiying themselves know they are doing it. I don't justify it when people that aren't doing it for the attention are getting it when they are not wanting it. Otherwise, any attention at all would be considered wrong.
     
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    In what way would it not feel forced? If the idea is to make a clear and concerted effort to diversify, I'd say the way it's going is pretty natural.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Diversity is natural. Half the population is female. Over a third of the country isn't white.

    What makes it feel "forced" is the fact that for decades diversity was unnaturally suppressed and we're only recently starting to fix this.
     
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    I think, on some level, we're missing the point here. We all love guitar, that's why we're posting on a forum about them. Regardless of your views, does it really matter which people Fender makes signatures for as long as they're making a point to be progressive?

    We should be happy that more guitars are coming. Again. More guitars to gas for! Fender is taking a step in the right direction. I'll be interested to see what the artists come up with. I'm assuming everyone has seen Nita Strauss's Ibanez signature - that guitar is beautiful! Clearly women have some pretty damn good taste in design. I'm looking forward to seeing what gets designed.

    This exactly. Representation is important. You know what makes me happy? The thought that in the future, a little girl, who maybe has a bad voice but loves music, can look at icons like Nita Strauss, Yvette Young, etc, and feel like she can do it too. Maybe she gets one of their signatures and it inspires her, and she grows up to make great music too.

    So what if Fender starts releasing guitars for trans and non-binary? That's a good thing. From the outside looking in, rock bands seem pretty exclusionary. 99% of bands are all guys. What do you think that makes women, trans, and non-binary people feel? Like they can't do it too. They can do it too, and that starts with representation. Think of all the good songs that have never come out because someone felt like they couldn't hang with the culture of musicians. That's something that has to change.
     
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    couverdure No Gear Day

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    The talks in this thread about trans people makes me think that Laura Jane Grace should have a Rickenbacker sig.
     
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    Im not bothered who gets a signature model as long as they’re a great guitarist. But similarly, I would hate to go back to the late 90s early 00s model where anyone who the companies thought might shift a couple more SKUs got a signature model by taking a standard production line model and adding inlays from guitar x and the headstock from guitar y, whether they were actually a ‘guitar hero’ or not.

    It’s not the way the world works, but I personally feel signature models should work in a purely meritocratic way.

    With regards to the whole point about people ‘dressing for attention’, I am not saying anyone deserves attacking, please don’t think that, but when we live in a society, there are certain societal norms that everyone should abide by even if they’re not legally obliged to. Should people who dress in full goth paraphernalia expect to be treated with the same level of respect as someone who wears a suit and tie? I’m not sure, because by deviating from societal norms they’re already disrespecting a living society that predates them by decades and that maintains that respect must be earned and conforming is one way of earning that respect. In essence, by not conforming, the cycle of disrespect has already started.

    We can change that perception slowly, but not overnight.
     
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    Physical evidence of signature model guitars date all the way back to 1200 AD, and there is significant evidence that it even predates that by a few centuries.

    They were given to local court musicians for free on the condition that they would serve as sales people for the instrument maker.

    The concept of signature model guitars going to only the "best" as far as technicality goes has never been a consideration, the notion only, again, being used in a commercial capacity.

    There are lucrative endorsement deals that don't involve signature gear, so it's not like it's a go/no-go in a financial sense for musicians.

    While music holds a special place in our consciousness, it is an industry. The idea is to make money. If that meant favoring only great players, that's how it would be.

    Since skill at guitar playing isn't something that can be perfectly quantifiable, there's really no system of merit that can be fairly assigned.
     
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    So....the all white tele......

    Is it the funky painted fretboard type? Or something synthetic?
     
  10. Mo Jiggity

    Mo Jiggity 7-string n00b

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    I'd buy the SHIT out of that Strat... and I have a cock and balls. Everybody wins!
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Probably just finished.

    Maple fretboards are finished, just with only a clear coat. It's almost the same process doing a color first.
     
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    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    The main issue women will have in rock music is bypassing the "boobs sell" scenario, where the frontman value is proportional to her position on a "looks good" scale. (Mainly thinking of all those dutch bands with rotating singers we call "boobs bands" in France).
    I'll believe the industry is taking a stand when I see normal-looking women in bands. Using a provocative poster girl isn't representation, it's catering to male teenagers.
     
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    Have you ever seen any female-fronted bands outside of the hard rock circle? A lot of them don't have the "fierce masculine/model-esque" aesthetic that seem to be common in many female hard rock/metal musicians. Even Hayley Williams, who was the poster girl for that kind of frontwomen a decade ago, stopped rocking the bright orange hair she was known for, although they did undergo a massive sound change when she did it.
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    The human body isn't inherently sexual. We pose a double standard when men can run around shirtless onstage and it's just seen as normal because it gets hot up there, but someone else doing it is seen as objectifying or sexualising themselves. While people will personally find individuals attractive, that's on the beholder. People are capable of sexualising the most non-sexual things. Rule 34 of the internet, and all that.
    Do you watch documentaries about cultures in hot countries where everyone goes around shirtless and think that's sexual, that it's docupornography?

    The fact that you've talked about someone dressing "like a skank" is you telling us that you see a certain style of clothing as diminishing the person's value and that's not respectable. Unless you have some reason that "skank" isn't actually being used as a derogatory term. You've said that " If you want to be treated more like a guy then dress more like a guy" as though the only way to be respected like men is to be more like a man, rather than that women should be respected in their own right. But as I said before, plenty of men go around onstage shirtless and while some people may find them attractive, that's generally not the primary focus. Especially if they're someone who's not considered to be conventionally attractive. I'm sure if the female artists in question were doing as you say and dressing "like a man" often does for performing then your other logic would state that they're sexing it up.

    Obviously there are instances in which exposing one's body is unwelcome and is indecency, but choosing to engage with someone's art and performance when you know how they present themselves isn't a case of this. Practicality and realistic circumstances of comfort generally wouldn't fall into this either, I wouldn't say. And things can be practical and serve your aesthetic, too. Gym clothes are practical, doesn't mean they can't make you feel like you look nice, too. That doesn't mean others should leer and creep on you. A brief look at someone and acknowledging to yourself is one thing but staring and making your thoughts someone else's problem, making them feel unsafe is not justified.

    This view that I've seen cropping up through the thread, that being an athlete on the instrument is the main mark of merit and that those who don't shred or display some technical ideal shouldn't have a signature model is so bizarre. Music isn't a sport. It's an art. Sure, mechanics, theory, science all contribute but they contribute to achieving our individual artistic ideals. If someone finds that some piece of equipment helps them to reach that, whether by structural advancement or by contributing to the aesthetics of the performance, and they want to share that with others, how is that less deserving of a company's support than a guitar with a clear or metallic body, or an inch and a half longer scale which is attributed to someone who plays faster?
    Should clothing designers only get to put out something which matches their aesthetics if it has the approval of a powerlifter, dancer or sprinter? Should Stuart Semple only release pigments if they're valuable to people who paint bridges and other civil structures?

    Do you think it's right to respect someone more because they wear a suit and tie rather than a black PVC trenchcoat? What about fatigues and military boots; are they more or less worthy of respect than a suit? Does that respect vary depending on whether they're actively in service to the military?

    Why shouldn't it be changed overnight? Why should a certain demographic be expected to continue to be maligned for the way they look just because it's different? Should people who immigrate abandon all of their previous home's cultural aesthetics if they want to be respected? What makes that a valid expectation, rather than expecting to treat everyone with respect until they act in a way which causes harm to others?

    Immigrants deserve respect and support, prostitutes deserve respect and support, single parents deserve respect and support, mentally ill people deserve respect and support, addicts deserve respect and support, poor people deserve respect and support. Fuck abusers.
     
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    less social commentary, more guitar porn.
    Haruna from SCANDAL's sig guitar.
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    or her even better silver sparkle tele:
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    Mami from Scandal got a pretty sick sig too:
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    Idk, a lot of the guys crying “forced diversity” seem pretty low-testosterone bro.
     
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    Yes to all 3. I really want that gold/white tele and that Jazzmaster. I'd like the silver one more, but skulls is cheezy imo. Still cool, but not 100% my cup of tea.
     
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    I had a bad feeling when I saw this thread was at 9 pages and sure enough - wall of text replies on every page...

    /sigh

    Maybe I’m preaching to the choir, but why - seriously - does it have to warrant such a huge discussion? Is it because of the appearance of it being a cash-grab by Fender? Actually being serious here, some of these models are really cool and unique. I dunno. Not that I’m gonna buy one, but some people will, and us guitar players love options, so I see this working out well for Fender (except for the extended range crowd hehe)
     
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    I'd prefer options that didn't come pre-infected with friggin' COOTIES.
     

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