Female guitarists on Only Fans. Not sure if it is a good or bad thing....

[RevDrucifer]

I have no qualms about anyone making an income in any way they can.

If the person creating the content is cool with it, more power to them!

That said, I’ve seen the darker sides of what can come of an OnlyFans account. Both women I knew who had accounts started off with caps on what they were willing to do, both were in long-term relationships and had mutually agreed on limitations with their S/O’s but once they saw how much money they were passing up due to those limitations, it turned into a lot of deceit, secrets and straight up lies. My ex-wife was one of them and it played a rather large role in our divorce and the other relationship shit the bed as well.

 

[ArtDecade]

I have no qualms about anyone making an income in any way they can.

If the person creating the content is cool with it, more power to them!

That said, I’ve seen the darker sides of what can come of an OnlyFans account. Both women I knew who had accounts started off with caps on what they were willing to do, both were in long-term relationships and had mutually agreed on limitations with their S/O’s but once they saw how much money they were passing up due to those limitations, it turned into a lot of deceit, secrets and straight up lies. My ex-wife was one of them and it played a rather large role in our divorce and the other relationship shit the bed as well.

Money makes people do things they might not normally do.

 

[Mathemagician]

Because it's a valid job with little/no barrier to entry, self employment is appealing, convenience, relatively easy to hit min wage very quickly with potential to go far, far higher. And perhaps, because sex is fun? "Before hitting that" - before hitting what? You make it sound like a last resort. Maybe for some, and that's personal choice, but is it so hard to think that many are doing it because they want to?

Why not respected?

And yes there are many jobs that require more skill, obviously. But why does one have to 'challenge themselves' to make a living?

Shouldn't it be everyone's logical conclusion to make as much money as quickly and easily as possible whilst allowing themselves the maximum amount of time (and money) to invest in other careers or hobbies they really enjoy and would do for free or even pay to do? Such as more music, or anything else that might not pay well or at all or is simply leisure.

Not many people in life are lucky enough to enjoy their 'skilled and respectable' educated career so much that they would do it for free. Some people are lucky enough to realise one doesn't have to do such things to be a successful person, no matter what others may think. That there are paths available to a happy life that are right there open and waiting, obscured only by some nonsensical taboo.

Respect from me comes from taking the reigns of your own life and going for what you want the best way you can, as long as it isn't harming others.

That’s the thing about work. Everyone who thinks “it’s not a real job” wants to ignore the hard HARD work that goes into looking “hot”.

The calorie counting, the time in the gym. The daily monitoring of food intake, building your schedule around your fitness.

Then there is the girlfriend/boyfriend factor of building a persona that people are attracted to. That makes them feel like they know you/have a relationship with you through a screen. That stuff would be exhausting.

Meanwhile I’m over here eating donuts bby.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

Wrong? Definitely wouldn't say that. Respected? Hell no.

I have massive respect for those who actually challenge themselves in life. Those who get off their ass and actually make something of themselves. Your example was a construction worker. Someone who puts in their blood sweat and tears into their work and actually earns their money. A skill/trade. Taking a nude and posting it online cannot be compared here

Some chick showing her tits or some dude whipping out his dick behind a guitar is absolutely the opposite of challenging yourself and showing pride in what you do. It's bottom of the barrel at most.

This has nothing to do with "prudishness", it has to do with placing my respect towards those who actually deserve it. All those men and women out their hustling, actually putting in the effort towards what they love. They don't need to use sleezy tactics like selling their body to push music.

I'm honestly really shocked I'm in the minority here, but hey everyone's allowed their opinions.

if taking nudes was all it was, I'd agree with you. There's marketing, makeup, sourcing outfits, video/photo editing, staying in shape, doing collaborations to get cross fanbases.

To put it into another perspective, I know some paramedics and nurses who also do it because the supplemental income is good enough that they can better support their kids.

 

[mastapimp]

That’s the thing about work. Everyone who thinks “it’s not a real job” wants to ignore the hard HARD work that goes into looking “hot”.

The calorie counting, the time in the gym. The daily monitoring of food intake, building your schedule around your fitness.

Then there is the girlfriend/boyfriend factor of building a persona that people are attracted to. That makes them feel like they know you/have a relationship with you through a screen. That stuff would be exhausting.

Meanwhile I’m over here eating donuts bby.

I agree that it does take time and effort to keep up appearances and "play the game" but some of the more outrageous cash grabs are just plain lazy like offering up used dirty underwear for $100 a pop, making a "spoil me" wish list, or bottling your farts...now that I think about it, i've never tried to do that...could actually be difficult.

Another aspect that nobody's mentioned is that these types of jobs usually have a pretty finite shelf life. She should try to monetize it as much as she can before others expand into her territory or go beyond her limitations.

 

[tedtan]

offering up used dirty underwear for $100 a pop, making a "spoil me" wish list, or bottling your farts

Is this actually a thing (serious question)?

 

[lurè]

Nothing wrong with onlyfans; but I just dont get how would it shift the attention from how you look to your playing.

If you are using it for what it is no problem, but if you struggle to lead the attention to your music why going into a platform that is well known for nudity in general?

 

[mastapimp]

Is this actually a thing (serious question)?

Yes, the underwear thing are wish lists are quite common. The farts, not so much, but has made national news before: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...rs-then-suffers-health-scare/?sh=26aaa22336fc

I feel bad for the people that buy the items, not so much the seller.

 

[Albake21]

if taking nudes was all it was, I'd agree with you. There's marketing, makeup, sourcing outfits, video/photo editing, staying in shape, doing collaborations to get cross fanbases.

To put it into another perspective, I know some paramedics and nurses who also do it because the supplemental income is good enough that they can better support their kids.

Yeah.... still no comparison between a construction worker and everything you listed besides maybe staying in shape. But isn't that just a normal human thing? I mean... everyone should be working on their health and being in shape, obviously most of us don't, me included, but that's a goal that everyone should try to achieve.

And honestly, that's just straight up gross to me. Not because these nurses are posting, they can do what they want, but because their kids will be involved at some point. The internet is getting less and less private as time goes on. Damn near everything we do gets tracked and now our identities are starting to be verified.

I can guarantee these kids will see their Mom's photos in their lifetime. Imagine being in their shoes. I understand the mother's intentions are for the good of their kids, but I feel they lack the knowledge that this will come back and haunt their family in the future.

For some reason I still have to reiterate this because people keep thinking I'm evil or something. I do not care if people choose sex work, I'm all for it being a legitimate job, but that still gives me the right to frown upon it, especially in music/the scenario in this thread. I would never say anything negative towards someone about it, nor would I directly judge them. All this does is hurt the actual musicians out their who want to be taken seriously.

 

[tedtan]

Yes, the underwear thing are wish lists are quite common. The farts, not so much, but has made national news before: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...rs-then-suffers-health-scare/?sh=26aaa22336fc

I feel bad for the people that buy the items, not so much the seller.

Wow, I’m not sure how to respond to that.

 

[wheresthefbomb]

ITT: Concern Trolling

 

[Winspear]

I must say I'm not entirely sure on the musician-specific qualms some have in this thread like it somehow dilutes their career as a musician and that that is all they should be doing. I don't really see it any differently to someone whos career is X but who also does YZ other hobbies, sells some stuff on ebay, etc etc. If they choose not to do it anonymously or especially to crosspost and advertise to their music fans that they are available on OF then that's up to them and I'm sure they are aware and don't necessarily care that it will potentially dilute the 'musicianness' of their fanbase. You'll get some porn fans who will check out your music because they like you, and some music fans who will check out your porn. Win win.
Regarding concern about it delegitimizing other artists who don't want to engage in that..they just wont, and music fans will continue to enjoy their music just the same. Women in all walks of life already experience a great number of creeps, especially if they are public facing such as being a musician. Which is indeed a shame, and scummy guys are only to blame for this. I'm not really sure how other women doing OF is being implied to make that problem worse, and I'm not sure it can really get worse than it already is. Heckling has always been a huge issue. Hell, maybe it'll go the other way and if the market is saturated enough, creepy guys will be busy and satisfied enough to actually just focus on what some random youtube guitarist is actually doing rather than asking them for nudes

 

[wheresthefbomb]

I must say I'm not entirely sure on the musician-specific qualms some have in this thread like it somehow dilutes their career as a musician and that that is all they should be doing.
Regarding concern about it delegitimizing other artists who don't want to engage in that..they just wont, and music fans will continue to enjoy their music just the same.

Nobody actually cares about that stuff, it's just concern trolling. Your confusion arises from engaging in good faith with intellectually dishonest posturing.

The real issues here are:

Male entitlement and virgin-whore complex, coupled with the fact that acknowledging sex work as real work means we have to confront the fact that SW isn't inherently exploitative because of the sex part, but because of the work part, and we just aren't collectively ready for that.

Relegating it to quasi-legal territory is the policy manifestation of the collective virgin-whore complex, allowing men to simultaneously enjoy and deride the profession without having to interrogate their behaviors or conditioning. It also inherently precludes any sort of traditional labor organization in all but a few areas, leaving an already vulnerable population even more open to exploitation.

 

[nickgray]

where she'll be posting what she describes as sleazy hot, revealing, content without limitation

You know, if such male content was viable, we'd all be practically drowning in a sea of cocks. Alas, as shown by the recent Ellefson incident, there's no demand for it.

 

[Albake21]

ITT: Concern Trolling

Is this directed towards me? If so, I'd rather you just say so. And if so, such a weird thing to say towards someone's opinions. We're allowed to voice them on an open discussion based forum without someone dismissing things with comments like this.

And if not, kindly disregard.

 

[wheresthefbomb]

Is this directed towards me? If so, I'd rather you just say so. And if so, such a weird thing to say towards someone's opinions. We're allowed to voice them on an open discussion based forum without someone dismissing things with comments like this.

And if not, kindly disregard.

Not just you, but since you asked:

You may not recognize it but your position comes across incredibly patronizing, like these people are out here fucking it up for their kids and all the "actual musicians" (speaking of weird things to say, what?) and they're too... (???) to know better. Here's the thing, if the concern for "the children" were legitimate we would be seeing sweeping changes to income inequality. Flipping it back around on parents trying to put food on the table allows us to conveniently sidestep the real issue (this is the exact mechanism of concern trolling) that they're so fucking poor and we live in such a destitute shithole of a country that they're turning to marginalized, highly-stigmatized sources of income to support their basic needs. Incidentally, this is also why people deal drugs.

The problem with "the children" isn't just in SW, either. My father has worked construction his whole life, and I've done plenty of it myself. Construction is extremely demanding work, it destroys people's bodies well before their time and demands massive commitments of their time/energy that necessarily remove from their ability to put it toward family and/or their own pursuits outside of raw capital injection. This also takes a toll on people's mental health and contributes to addiction issues and generational trauma as they pass these habits on to their children. That this kind of self-sacrifice is normalized, even glorified when there's no actual good reason for it is pretty sickening. That's not a critique of construction though, much less of the people doing it, it's critique of work, specifically the culture of work that predominates the western, capitalist world.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

It's a sign of the times.

I know some reasonably successful professionals with OF side hustles.

No one really cares anymore. It's not the 70's anymore, heck it isn't even the 90's. I mean someone on the internet will always care, but the effect in the real world is so diminished these days.

Like you'll meet someone and they'll mention, casually, they have an OF.

 

[Albake21]

Not just you, but since you asked:

You may not recognize it but your position comes across incredibly patronizing, like these people are out here fucking it up for their kids and all the "actual musicians" (speaking of weird things to say, what?) and they're too... (???) to know better. Here's the thing, if the concern for "the children" were legitimate we would be seeing sweeping changes to income inequality. Flipping it back around on parents trying to put food on the table allows us to conveniently sidestep the real issue (this is the exact mechanism of concern trolling) that they're so fucking poor and we live in such a destitute shithole of a country that they're turning to marginalized, highly-stigmatized sources of income to support their basic needs. Incidentally, this is also why people deal drugs.

The problem with "the children" isn't just in SW, either. My father has worked construction his whole life, and I've done plenty of it myself. Construction is extremely demanding work, it destroys people's bodies well before their time and demands massive commitments of their time/energy that necessarily remove from their ability to put it toward family and/or their own pursuits outside of raw capital injection. This also takes a toll on people's mental health and contributes to addiction issues and generational trauma as they pass these habits on to their children. That this kind of self-sacrifice is normalized, even glorified when there's no actual good reason for it is pretty sickening. That's not a critique of construction though, much less of the people doing it, it's critique of work, specifically the culture of work that predominates the western, capitalist world.

I think you're taking an angle away from where my original response was coming from. It sounds like you're looking at it from a work culture/slightly political point of view. That's a totally valid opinion and I even agree with you in some areas.

I think where this conversation differs is that I'm coming at it from a Fatherly and relationship point of view. If I had a son or daughter, I would be crushed knowing they were working OF for their living. Same thing applies in a relationship. I would never want nudes of my partner to be shared around, even more so sold like an internet prostitute. Can you honestly tell me I'm not allowed to have those opinions about my own loved ones?

So again, I respectfully disagree as I have different life point of views. You throwing this cop out response of "ITT: Concern Trolling" is just so insulting when we're talking about a matter of life views and opinions.

 

[jaxadam]

I think you're taking an angle away from where my original response was coming from. It sounds like you're looking at it from a work culture/slightly political point of view. That's a totally valid opinion and I even agree with you in some areas.

I think where this conversation differs is that I'm coming at it from a Fatherly and relationship point of view. If I had a son or daughter, I would be crushed knowing they were working OF for their living. Same thing applies in a relationship. I would never want nudes of my partner to be shared around, even more so sold like an internet prostitute. Can you honestly tell me I'm not allowed to have those opinions about my own loved ones?

So again, I respectfully disagree as I have different life point of views. You throwing this cop out response of "ITT: Concern Trolling" is just so insulting when we're talking about a matter of life views and opinions.

So you're saying I shouldn't have an OnlyFans?

Here's the link for anyone interested:

www.onlyfans.com/jaxadam123

 

[narad]

I think you're taking an angle away from where my original response was coming from. It sounds like you're looking at it from a work culture/slightly political point of view. That's a totally valid opinion and I even agree with you in some areas.

I think where this conversation differs is that I'm coming at it from a Fatherly and relationship point of view. If I had a son or daughter, I would be crushed knowing they were working OF for their living. Same thing applies in a relationship. I would never want nudes of my partner to be shared around, even more so sold like an internet prostitute. Can you honestly tell me I'm not allowed to have those opinions about my own loved ones?

So again, I respectfully disagree as I have different life point of views. You throwing this cop out response of "ITT: Concern Trolling" is just so insulting when we're talking about a matter of life views and opinions.

But then you're basically just condemning sex / cam work in general, and it's no longer a guitar or music related discussion.