Female guitarists on Only Fans. Not sure if it is a good or bad thing....

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Btw, this is totally the same thing as when Asian producers don't let their pop stars marry or get caught dating in public

Juvenile fanbois apparently get "disappointed" that she's not pure and virginal
 

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Except, this is using sex work to supplement income. Not to sell music, but to afford to make music.

Why is being a sex worker wrong in your eyes?
Wrong? Definitely wouldn't say that. Respected? Hell no.

I have massive respect for those who actually challenge themselves in life. Those who get off their ass and actually make something of themselves. Your example was a construction worker. Someone who puts in their blood sweat and tears into their work and actually earns their money. A skill/trade. Taking a nude and posting it online cannot be compared here.

Some chick showing her tits or some dude whipping out his dick behind a guitar is absolutely the opposite of challenging yourself and showing pride in what you do. It's bottom of the barrel at most.

This has nothing to do with "prudishness", it has to do with placing my respect towards those who actually deserve it. All those men and women out their hustling, actually putting in the effort towards what they love. They don't need to use sleezy tactics like selling their body to push music.

I'm honestly really shocked I'm in the minority here, but hey everyone's allowed their opinions.
 

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I'm just not sure why OF/camming always seems to be the default now as their "job" when there's plenty of other valid jobs you can do before hitting that that still allows you to be in a band.

I'll state up front, and this is going to be painted pretty broadly to many I'm sure, but I find camming/OF/etc to just be the newest version of people trying to be Youtube stars. I understand you do have to put in work to make yourself a name in that scene/community, but even still, at the end of the day the end result of you work is just ...being on cam and getting off a lot? In my mind, it's just a bit sad that that's the reality people are aspiring to: I just want people to look at my body online and get off to it for money. I remember growing up a lot of people used to joke like, if they couldn't do anything it was, "well I can always do porn!" but that's not always the reality.

As for speeding up music/writing what you can't play, I think that's fine as long as you're up front and honest about it - at that point it's about the composition and not necessarily playing it live. If you're trying to do it live and it's well above your level, then don't be surprised if there's backlash afterwards (see: every SSO flavor of the month band that's happened to), but for the casual fan not seeing it live won't be a big deal as it doesn't mean the actual product (the album/songs) don't exist.

Wrong? Definitely wouldn't say that. Respected? Hell no.

I have massive respect for those who actually challenge themselves in life. Those who get off their ass and actually make something of themselves. Your example was a construction worker. Someone who puts in their blood sweat and tears into their work and actually earns their money. A skill/trade. Taking a nude and posting it online cannot be compared here.

Some chick showing her tits or some dude whipping out his dick behind a guitar is absolutely the opposite of challenging yourself and showing pride in what you do. It's bottom of the barrel at most.

This has nothing to do with "prudishness", it has to do with placing my respect towards those who actually deserve it. All those men and women out their hustling, actually putting in the effort towards what they love. They don't need to use sleezy tactics like selling their body to push music.

I'm honestly really shocked I'm in the minority here, but hey everyone's allowed their opinions.

Because it's a valid job with little/no barrier to entry, self employment is appealing, convenience, relatively easy to hit min wage very quickly with potential to go far, far higher. And perhaps, because sex is fun? "Before hitting that" - before hitting what? You make it sound like a last resort. Maybe for some, and that's personal choice, but is it so hard to think that many are doing it because they want to?

Why not respected?

And yes there are many jobs that require more skill, obviously. But why does one have to 'challenge themselves' to make a living?

Shouldn't it be everyone's logical conclusion to make as much money as quickly and easily as possible whilst allowing themselves the maximum amount of time (and money) to invest in other careers or hobbies they really enjoy and would do for free or even pay to do? Such as more music, or anything else that might not pay well or at all or is simply leisure.

Not many people in life are lucky enough to enjoy their 'skilled and respectable' educated career so much that they would do it for free. Some people are lucky enough to realise one doesn't have to do such things to be a successful person, no matter what others may think. That there are paths available to a happy life that are right there open and waiting, obscured only by some nonsensical taboo.

Respect from me comes from taking the reigns of your own life and going for what you want the best way you can, as long as it isn't harming others.
 
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Yeah, I agree. But I know that women guitarists fight against the impression of them as eye candy, rather than serious players. But I guess there's nothing much she, or any of us, can do about that, other than to try to not judge someone's music with a metric unrelated to their music.
Understandable. I recently saw some posts by a female musician ranting about how she could not be taken seriously as a musician in today's world, then had several risqué photos in the following post. Sometimes it is difficult to separate if certain artists are playing both sides for attention. There are so many degrees of how someone portrays themselves to the media.

That being said, there are many musicians who do not post their pictures or faces, even wearing masks on stage. In the end, if someone wants to treat music as showbusiness and include sexual imagery, it is up to that artist to what extent they want to include it.

I have come to the conclusion that musicians who spend more time posting photos of themselves on Instagram than they post videos or music clips on other sites are less likely for me to take them seriously as musicians.
 

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There are so many jobs out there which require loads of difficult to achieve qualifications, that pay really well and the output is literally making the world worse for everyone. Are you telling me that's more respectable than sex work?

It takes a lot of hard work to become, say, a hedge fund manager. Usually you need a very good graduate degree from a good university. And then you spend your time gambling on crypto to increase the wealth of shitty people my fractions of percents. Literally destroying the earth and scamming people, but if you have a sex worker and an hedge fund manager at your table at a wedding who disgusts you more?

Because it's a valid job with little/no barrier to entry, self employment is appealing, convenience, relatively easy to hit min wage very quickly with potential to go far, far higher. And perhaps, because sex is fun? "Before hitting that" - before hitting what? You make it sound like a last resort. Maybe for some, and that's personal choice, but is it so hard to think that many are doing it because they want to?

Why not respected?

And yes there are many jobs that require more skill, obviously. But why does one have to 'challenge themselves' to make a living?

Shouldn't it be everyone's logical conclusion to make as much money as quickly and easily as possible whilst allowing themselves the maximum amount of time (and money) to invest in other careers or hobbies they really enjoy and would do for free or even pay to do? Such as more music, or anything else that might not pay well or at all or is simply leisure.

Not many people in life are lucky enough to enjoy their 'skilled and respectable' educated career so much that they would do it for free. Some people are lucky enough to realise one doesn't have to do such things to be a successful person, no matter what others may think. That there are paths available to a happy life that are right there open and waiting, obscured only by some nonsensical taboo.

Respect from me comes from taking the reigns of your own life and going for what you want the best way you can, as long as it isn't harming others.
Great Post!
 

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Sounds to me that she's ( I assume) conventionally attractive and currently in possession of a captive audience. No one would fault a company for trying to capitalize(and failing :lol: ) on their newfound Morbin' popularity. I think what you're feeling is dysphoria between who you think she is and assumptions you're making of sex workers. Work is work at the end of the day, you shouldn't conflate her skill with her marketability. Thanks to the advent of social media more than ever we can become fans of fairly regular people. As fans of people it's easy to paint a narrative of who they are and that can be a really damning thing when you project your own values on them. weirdly enough this does present the opportunity to confront your biases like you currently are doing, good on you by the way, and maybe even change your views on things that have never before effected you.
 

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Youtube and insta comments on female guitarists just go to show you, creeps gonna creep. Being in Japan I have to deal with this stuff a lot - like AKB48 stuff has basically given Japan 0 music credibility. People by albums to get tickets to hand-shake events, sometimes buying like 10 copies of the same CD. It's pathetic But it's the guys that are pathetic. Props to anyone who can turn some hustle into a sustainable career in music. In aggregate in Japan it's probably had a very negative effect on actual music talent and women's rights and objectification, but that's because it's the mainstream.

The irony is that the number of really talented female musicians is staggering in Japan. But it is cringe worthy looking at the audience of a typical concert for many of the all female bands.


Japan also as the example of Shouko Takahashi was was the one time guitarist for the band Hölderlins before leaving the band and becoming one of Japan's top porn stars.
 

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Btw, just wondering, how is this any different from all those barechested fools in spandex selling posters in the 80s? Or is that somehow different because it is suggestive male photos targeted at closet gay kids and fangirls?
I think there's definitely some overlap, my mind first went to the likes of Motley Crue or Poison or whatever when reading this topic. However, those guys really were largely about the music and the bulk of their fanbase actually listened to them instead of primarily staring at them. Really, though, there's definitely some similarity there. I'm guessing back in the 80s that guys felt unrealistic expectations of having to not be balding and having to look hot in silly getups. Hence most popular bands back then were either hotties or aggressively went in the other direction (Cheap Trick, Motorhead).

I think there are a couple different arguments happening in this thread:

1) Sex workers are all bad and lazy
2) Sex workers are all great and it's valid

I'd like to put forth as mine:

3) Sex workers are totally valid and I think people should use onlyfans if they can do it, but I think that if you're trying to say you're primarily a musician and secondarily an onlyfans person you're both not going to be taken very seriously and you're also (mildly) harming the careers of any women playing in the same genre that DON'T want to do that.

SO, I guess, whatever, I don't begrudge them, I just think it sucks for women that can't/don't want to do that because it helps to create expectations for women in what is STILL a totally male-dominated genre.
 

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I don't really care how people make their money, but if you are saying your OnlyFans account is gonna be like Patreon, just use Patreon. I don't want to explain that line item to my wife when I am just trying to learn some shred licks.
 

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My take on this topic is that regardless of what you consider morally acceptable or not, if this becomes a thing it will surely affect the female guitarists that want to get exposure but not to expose their bodies.

I'm also quite sure that if we asked some female guitarists for their opinion on this subject, the overall responses would be quite less... Mixed.
 

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3) Sex workers are totally valid and I think people should use onlyfans if they can do it, but I think that if you're trying to say you're primarily a musician and secondarily an onlyfans person you're both not going to be taken very seriously and you're also (mildly) harming the careers of any women playing in the same genre that DON'T want to do that.

SO, I guess, whatever, I don't begrudge them, I just think it sucks for women that can't/don't want to do that because it helps to create expectations for women in what is STILL a totally male-dominated genre.

I don't really care how people make their money, but if you are saying your OnlyFans account is gonna be like Patreon, just use Patreon.

My take on this topic is that regardless of what you consider morally acceptable or not, if this becomes a thing it will surely affect the female guitarists that want to get exposure but not to expose their bodies.

I'm also quite sure that if we asked some female guitarists for their opinion on this subject, the overall responses would be quite less... Mixed.

Yes to all of these.
 

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The issue in my opinion is that now everyone will focus to the nudes and not the music.
Even if it is non-nude, as the money may flow, the money is sweet, the requests will become more hardcore and before you know it you go porn.
Even though I have nothing against sex workers, she will probably lose respect from a big part of the society, coz of social norms and the irony is that many of those paying to get the nudes would criticize her in public, the mother of all hypocrisies.
Given the known issues with sex workers/porn stars with mental health, i think in the long run, it is a very bad decision.
 

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I don't really care how people make their money, but if you are saying your OnlyFans account is gonna be like Patreon, just use Patreon. I don't want to explain that line item to my wife when I am just trying to learn some shred licks.
For what it's worth. OnlyFans started out as a competitor to Patreon, just like Subbable of the past, but it also allowed explicit content which Patreon doesn't. That's what allowed it to become the site it currently is, but people talking about it trying to sanitise its image by pushing non-adult content are being ignorant.
 

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Y'all realize that posting some provocative pics on yet another monetized social network CAN be a far cry from "sex work"?
 

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remember those Gibson guitar posters from the 90's with the girls and a V, SG and some others? Screen Shot 2022-06-28 at 10.35.45 AM.png
 

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Nope, that's Patron

Patreon is a crowdfunding platform for content creators' operating expenses. All sorts of youtubers, musicians, comic artists etc. try to use it, albeit I'm not sure how effectively
 


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