I'm not so sure that your opinion is really objective, Watty, perspective be damned.
I went back and reread your first post on this issue, and it's clear that you disdain something about this culture that goes beyond an annoyance. You seized upon several claims you thought could be used to argue for Rick's respect and tried to argue against them. What is it that you have against him, really?
I also don't understand why you insist on painting me into the corner by slipping in these statements that we should respect people's pursuits of happiness, whatever that pursuit may be. Clearly, that's not the case. I'm not arguing for a broad statement like that. I'm saying that in this situation, this context, you should respect someone willing to accept the consequences of their pursuit. I categorically reject the notion that people doing whatever they feel like should be venerated when it infringes on other people's right to do whatever they feel like.
If you don't understand his thought process, that's okay. I have no problem with that. If you don't like his taste in tattoos, that's okay. You're entitled to that opinion. Objectively, are there some positive things you can say about this man? Yes. And to a certain degree, even if you don't care for tattoos, he has done something that can be respected.
I'll put it in non-specific terms, to see if you disagree with this on principle. If someone chooses to do something uncommon to most people, yet not harmful to any, in their quest for happiness in life, should they be regarded positively or negatively?
The list of analogues for this is long. Can you appreciate the music of a guitarist you don't like based on his technical facility? Or should you dislike him completely, based on assumptions and ignorance?
død;3427553 said:I have yet to meet anyone that got tattoos to get respect from other people that also have tattoos. That includes myself, my girlfriend and several of my best friends. We got tattoos because we like the way they look, and spent a good deal of time and money picking out the artists that did them on us. Having tattoos doesn't automatically grant you respect from other people with tattoos.
I understand his thought process just fine; he wanted to be viewed a certain way by others, and he made that a reality. And I think his tattoos are interesting not to mention well done, something most people don't seem to care about. And I'll say again that I don't consider his decision to be something worthy of my respect.
This makes things slightly more difficult for me, as you'd probably hoped, but only because one could involve so many things that are not self-destructive the individual being considered. And, while I know this doesn't answer the question, but how do you feel about the guy that supposedly had a pair of glasses tattooed onto his face? Is it a situation that falls into the same category as what Rick's done, or do you feel that the type of work done on the face changes what sort of respect is deserved? Is one stupid and the other art? Did one require significantly more "balls" than the other to go through with it? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this juxtaposition of ink.
død;3430884 said:Please don't try making a definition of what "art" and "artistic" means. While I agree the tattoo is fucking ugly as shit, the artist made it with his artistic abilities, and it is with out a doubt a piece of art. Art doesn't have to be beatiful.
Why not?? Too many people try to pass off bullshit as "art". Don't want to get your feelings hurt, don't make your work public.
Some people are just not cut out to be "artists".
It's like people that get a DSLR and automatically label themselves "photographers".
Our society is way too politically correct, people need to hear the truth once in a while and get a reality check!