ESP NAMM 2020 thread

Discussion in 'Sevenstring Guitars' started by HeHasTheJazzHands, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Tisca

    Tisca Big-tube snob

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    Guessing they have the strap peg on the back instead of the horn?
     
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    xwmucradiox sweep.tap.sweep

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    I don' know where it is on the 400 series but on the EII its on the back of the upper horn. That body style just doesn't balance well once you add a longer neck.
     
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    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

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    SG-style bodies are essentially single-cuts, in terms of how they hang. Single cuts generally do poorly unless the bass side extends as far down the neck as an Abasi, for example. Add an extended-scale to that, and you've thrown another wrench into the works, in terms of balance.
     
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    It’s why BCR mockingbirds neck dive so much. Tiny upper horn.
     
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    xwmucradiox sweep.tap.sweep

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    Except the EC401B balances perfectly. Supposedly Vipers balance better if you move the strap button to the neck joint but no chance I was drilling an extra hole in a $1600 guitar. Just sell it and move on.
     
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    jephjacques BUTTS LOL

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    SGs are *worse* than most singlecuts, if anything. Les Pauls and Telecasters don't have much neck dive (admittedly with LPs some of that is due to the sheer weight). I don't know about their 7-string Eclipses but the 6 I had years back balanced just fine.
     
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    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

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    SG's have thinneer bodies, so that makes sense.

    Telecasters usually don't because of their tiny headstocks, but a 27" telecaster I tried once was the worst-feeling guitar I've ever played, and a part of it was the neck-dive.

    The ESP Viper is often better than an SG because they are so much thicker/heavier than a typical SG.
     
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    Politics of Ecstasy OG Shredder

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    I don’t know what SG you guys played but aside from the chunky Gibson neck the guitar is a dream

    in fact at one point I thought it was the most efficient design , except I wished it was neck thru over set neck

    but playing wise it’s awesome and SOOOOOO thin and light , the neck is way heavier than the body

    I love the SG aesthetic FWIW besides a great guitar
     
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    mlp187 Burrito Master Contributor

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    I can confirm. I love my SG, it's fucking stellar, but the neck dive is real. Worst neck dive of ANY guitar i have ever owned.

    I really want to get my hands on an ESP VIPER and see if the wider body adds enough mass to make an difference.

    Edit: just realized I missed spudmonkey's post somehow. Thanks, spud.
     
  11. Tisca

    Tisca Big-tube snob

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    I had a 60's tribute SG with P90s. Was ok balance wise.
    Have a Viper baritone and a standard. The bari has peg on the horn and no neck dive.
    The standard mostly feels awkward with back side peg. I bought extra long drillbits to relocate to the horn but haven't gotten around to that yet.
     
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    M-207 or M-407 this year?
     
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    GAS RISING THROUGH THE ROOF :woohoo:
    fucking hell its specced perfectly, reverse headstock, baritone scale, luminlay, hipshot, single pickup
    idk about black winters but w/e willing to give it a shot
     
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    Tisca Big-tube snob

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    BW's are so good they have their own worship thread here.
     
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    Are all LTD Deluxes made in Indonesia now? I really like the new M-1000 HT with burl top and Fishmans.
     
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    Lets find out if I'll be converted from the church of bare knuckles to the church of KVLT this coming year :D
     
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    Not all, but the majority are now made in Indonesia.
     
  18. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    What's still MIK?

    I've only run into MII, 1000 series EC, MH, SN, etc.
     
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  19. Albake21

    Albake21 "Just get a used Ibanez Prestige."

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    Weirdly the new MH fade series from last year was a mixed bag. The ones with a roasted maple neck were made in Indonesia while the ones with a normal maple neck were MIK. Same model, same specs, but some made in different factories. Kinda BS they don't disclose this since you won't know what you're buying if bought online.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Definitely makes you appreciate dealers like Sweetwater who disclose serial number, and often pictures, at point of sale.

    DGCL is that way too. As is Ibanez Rules, but they're more of a specialty vendor anyway.
     
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