ESP M-II NTB USA custom vs Jackson Warrior USA custom?

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ESP M-II NTB USA custom vs Jackson Warrior USA custom?

  1. ESP M-II NTB USA custom

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  1. Necros

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    I want to have a single ultimate high-end expensive 6-string guitar for death metal/tech/shred a la Necrophagist and Dying Fetus in my collection, nothing fancy, a pretty standard "metal-y" guitar with all respective shenanigans like OFR, EMGs, neck thru, hog/3pc maple/ebony, reverse headstock, some black finish, and that would also look cool but utilitarian, you know the drill.

    I own 2 Ibanezes 7 and 8 string and will probably get a 6 fixed for drop tunings (JBBM20 most likely), so thats what im most used to playing. In that regard, im leaning towards Jackson for their thinner necks but ive also heard the ESP QC is better overall. Both are around the same price of ~$3600-$4000 i guess. Right now im more partial towards the ESP because of aesthetic reasons, but that changes from time to time. The ESP headstock looks better and overall its more meaner and streamlined and convenient to play, while the warrior shape is one of my favorites, but im not sure about its playability while sitting down.

    Either will be a new custom order, im not buying a used guitar for OCD reasons.

    Made this as much to just share and get it off my chest as for actual recommendations.
    Anyone with experience with either or both is welcome to share.
     
  2. JustinRhoads1980

    JustinRhoads1980 Jackson Elitist

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    Personally I like the pointier shape of the Warrior but I also like the M-II. Honestly for me I would go warrior just because I love Jackson, but the ESP is a tough contender. Plus a downfall of the Jackson is that the wait time right now is 14 months while I am sure the ESP is much less than the jackson.
     
  3. Floppystrings

    Floppystrings No like the floppy

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    I chose ESP USA, the finish options are a bit limited but the quality should not be something to worry about. What finish are you thinking?

    The custom Jacksons I have seen lately have been pretty disappointing.
     
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    I’ve had nothing but luck with my custom shop Jackson’s, so they are my vote. But USA esp is a close second if I was buying.
    Ps the warrior is SICK!!!!!!
     
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  5. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Can you even put in an order for a Warrior right now? :lol:

    If you want stuff off the Select menu you should be good.

    I'd still probably go ESP USA, absolutely phenomenal instruments. Jackson CS is in the weeds now with the amount of Select orders, so I'd get a quote to see what wait times are looking like.
     
  6. JustinRhoads1980

    JustinRhoads1980 Jackson Elitist

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    I just asked a dealer yesterday about this. Wait times are 14 months approximately and yes you can still get a warrior.
     
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    JustinRhoads1980 Jackson Elitist

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    Honestly I would go with the ESP USA

    Especially when sweetwater got something like this

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    One of the most beautiful finishes ever. Throw in some black hardware and oh lord
     
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    Not only is that insanely nice looking, for what it’s worth my ESP M-II UC is one of the best playing guitars I own, and is an absolute shred machine.
     
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    Tough decision

    Even though the warrior is allegedly a fairly ergonomic design in the seated classic position in spite of being pointy there's always that risk of moving wrong and smacking the points off of shit, around your desk, music room, etc. A superstrat is less prone to that.



    Idk man still a toss up. Slight edge to warrior.
     
  10. JustinRhoads1980

    JustinRhoads1980 Jackson Elitist

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    I remember when Jackson posted a pic of that warrior, so fuckin hawt
     
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    JustinRhoads1980 Jackson Elitist

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    You could also look at Balaguer as another alternative

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    I know it’s getting close to a KH-2, but there’s something so right about an ESP M-II in black with an ebony board, reversed headstock, Floyd Rose and EMGs.
     
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    Thanks for the response guys. Heres all the details, the lead time is 7-8 months with the current virus situation so id expect even shorter at normal times.
    I really dont want anything fancy or super custom in terms of finish/looks, i like the idea of having a production-model-looking guitar thats also of custom-level quality, internally i wish all production model guitars were made to such standards. Im planning this for next year anyway, currently im saving up for a new gaming PC and ill have to see how the economy is in the coming months. Yeah keeping a Warrior indeed seems like a chore, ill have to get a separate stand or wall hanger just for it.
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    Forkface Feast on this.

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    get rid of the inlays and you got the quintessential metal guitar.
     
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    I love everything about it.
     
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    feraledge Heard the Good News about Maple Fretboards?

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    I still feel like I'm entitled to touch that Warrior and hope I get the chance.
    As to the OP, ESP is the safer bet at this point because of time/cost. Neither would be wrong and I'd love to see both.
     
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    One thing that isn't being mentioned here is the necks are going to feel totally different. Jackson profiles tend to be rounder than ESPs I've played, and they have a wider string spacing at the nut.
     
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    Spicypickles Sweeps & Mops

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    Rounder? Jackson rounds than ESP? Not even sort of.

    Esp has a narrower width, still thin but round. Jackson’s have wider and flatter necks.
     
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    The ESPs I've played have been really shoulder-y, with a flat back despite the narrow-ness, while the Jacksons I've played, both Japanese-era Pro series and USA, have been much rounder (and tend to vary a lot in thickness, I've got a Kelly with a thinner-than-a-Wizard neck, and my friend's Rhoads V is more of a "medium C").
     
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    I agree with @Spicypickles, none of my ESPs have flat necks, varying between U to Thin U & Xtra Thin U - always a rounded profile. Their feel is closer to Suhr's Modern Elliptical, IMO. Conversely most Jackson's I've fiddled with have a flatter back, similar to Ibanez but not quite the same. Depends on the model, I suppose.
     
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