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[Seabeast2000]

Oops, sorry Mods, I put this in the ESP thread vs. the Schecter thread. Please move at your convenience.

 

[JimF]

Was this the same 5 string idea that birthed Scott Ian's 5 string Jackson JJ?

 

[xwmucradiox]

Was this the same 5 string idea that birthed Scott Ian's 5 string Jackson JJ?

Both tuned in 5ths although I don't think Scott Ian was tuning very low.

 

[Albake21]

As someone who did not play guitar in that era of time, I find the whole 5 string thing to be super odd to me. It's not like the 6th string is getting in the way of playing or wouldn't allow for something a 5 string could do. Are there players who still actually want one?

 

[xwmucradiox]

As someone who did not play guitar in that era of time, I find the whole 5 string thing to be super odd to me. It's not like the 6th string is getting in the way of playing or wouldn't allow for something a 5 string could do. Are there players who still actually want one?

They were tuned in 5ths which is very difficult on a 6 string guitar.

I've been on the lookout for an A5X for 10 years now. They never show up.

 

[Albake21]

They were tuned in 5ths which is very difficult on a 6 string guitar.

I've been on the lookout for an A5X for 10 years now. They never show up.

I mean, I guess so? Can still be done on a 6 string, but I guess it kind of comes back to the argument of 6 vs 7 string tunings.

 

[xwmucradiox]

I mean, I guess so? Can still be done on a 6 string, but I guess it kind of comes back to the argument of 6 vs 7 string tunings.

Not sure how old you are but when Schecter was making those guitars people were not tuning as low as they do now and strings were not readily available in heavy gauges. Read back on this forum. You'll find threads about people trying to tune in 5ths going back a very long time and the easy access to purpose made strings for tuning way down just wasn't a thing like it is now. Its why new standard tuning isn't all 5ths.

 

[Albake21]

Not sure how old you are but when Schecter was making those guitars people were not tuning as low as they do now and strings were not readily available in heavy gauges. Read back on this forum. You'll find threads about people trying to tune in 5ths going back a very long time and the easy access to purpose made strings for tuning way down just wasn't a thing like it is now. Its why new standard tuning isn't all 5ths.

I must be missing something here, what does string availability have anything to do with playing on a 5 string? If you're tuning low, you need thicker gauge strings regardless.

 

[xwmucradiox]

I must be missing something here, what does string availability have anything to do with playing on a 5 string? If you're tuning low, you need thicker gauge strings regardless.

On a 6 string its an issue of both very heavy and very light strings if you want to tune in 5ths. Very heavy strings were not available in the late 90s and early 2000s. You couldn't even go into stores and buy a 7 string set of strings almost anywhere. The five string in fifths covers the range of a 6 string and does so without needing an extremely heavy low string or an extremely thin high string.

Lets say your highest string is an E. On a 6 string your lowest string in 5ths tuning would be an F. The heaviest guitar string you can get in a guitar shop in 2000 is likely a .052. Good luck.

OK lets try the other way and maybe you can comfortably get that .052 to handle a low A. That means your highest string is a G#. You'll break the string before you get it to pitch or shortly after even with an .008.

The 5 string let players have a chunky riff machine in the nu-metal era with tons of range without the intimidation factor of a 7 string - which was pretty high at the time. It was a novel design that was sabotaged by the guy who has an obnoxious patent on the idea so the BC Riches didn't last long and the Schecters were only made for a very short while.

 

[Albake21]

On a 6 string its an issue of both very heavy and very light strings if you want to tune in 5ths. Very heavy strings were not available in the late 90s and early 2000s. You couldn't even go into stores and buy a 7 string set of strings almost anywhere. The five string in fifths covers the range of a 6 string and does so without needing an extremely heavy low string or an extremely thin high string.

Lets say your highest string is an E. On a 6 string your lowest string in 5ths tuning would be an F. The heaviest guitar string you can get in a guitar shop in 2000 is likely a .052. Good luck.

OK lets try the other way and maybe you can comfortably get that .052 to handle a low A. That means your highest string is a G#. You'll break the string before you get it to pitch or shortly after even with an .008.

The 5 string let players have a chunky riff machine in the nu-metal era with tons of range without the intimidation factor of a 7 string - which was pretty high at the time. It was a novel design that was sabotaged by the guy who has an obnoxious patent on the idea so the BC Riches didn't last long and the Schecters were only made for a very short while.

Ahhh okay I get the idea here, appreciate the explanation, honestly just find it fascinating. I know these guitars were factory tuned to A,E,B,F#,C#. Assuming that's A1,E2,B2,F#3,C#4, would you just remove the 2nd string (b string from standard tuning) and use the high e string for the C#? If so, now I get why it would be hard to find something thinner to keep the 5ths tuning going on a 6 string.

 

[Bloody_Inferno]

ESP have been doing 40th anniversary events showcasing the Dir En Grey signatures. They're overdue a new run of sigs so that needs to happen soon.

Die's newest caught my eye.

It's just his usual 27 inch 6 sig but using HSP90s instead (I'm assuming Phat Cats). Not really new, but it looks damn cool.

 

[Emperor Guillotine]

ESP have been doing 40th anniversary events showcasing the Dir En Grey signatures. They're overdue a new run of sigs so that needs to happen soon.

Die's newest caught my eye.

It's just his usual 27 inch 6 sig but using HSP90s instead (I'm assuming Phat Cats). Not really new, but it looks damn cool.

Well, it's his old D-DR 6-string body shape with a 27" scale length and the red mesh graphic of his last D-DR-II 7-string signature model.

It's pretty cool seeing Die go back to using 6-strings after playing his D-DR-II 7-string guitars for so long. If I recall correctly, his previous "Rusted" model (which was also the older D-DR body shape) had a 27" scale length as well. We used to never see that body shape + scale length combo since the earliest generation D-DR Die signature models for consumers were the standard 25.5" until ESP began chucking out a few solid-red, 27" scale ones as standards from the Custom Shop.

The gold hardware is a nice aesthetic touch instead of stock black hardware. And I agree that the pickups are probably Phat Cats since Die has exclusively been using Duncans pickups for years, just like many other Japanese ESP artists.

 

[BlueTrident]

In regards to new signatures, I forgot of this screenshot I took from Javier Reyes’ Instagram (look at the one on the left).

 

[Zado]

Quesiton: I don't see any symmetrical V series in the site, did it get discontinued or something?

I mean this one

 

[RG570EX]

Quesiton: I don't see any symmetrical V series in the site, did it get discontinued or something?

I mean this one

All of those need reverse pointy headstocks.

 

[Zhysick]

Quesiton: I don't see any symmetrical V series in the site, did it get discontinued or something?

I mean this one

Yeah, discontinued many years ago. I cannot understand why... Now I have the money to buy one but no there are not and that V was amazing...

 

[Zado]

Yeah, discontinued many years ago. I cannot understand why... Now I have the money to buy one but no there are not and that V was amazing...

Any specific reason, like another brand sueing or something? Cause i find hard to believe it wasn't popular, I mean it really looks badass. From what I can see in their site, ESP is now selling basically 2 V shapes, the Arrow and the Laiho V right?

 

[lattjeful]

In regards to new signatures, I forgot of this screenshot I took from Javier Reyes’ Instagram (look at the one on the left). View attachment 121648

Can't wait until this one (and hopefully a 7 string version) are announced. Probably my most hyped guitar atm

 

[Seabeast2000]

Where the hell is that Kirk Hammet V anyway?

Wait, was that a GIbson?

 

[Trashgreen]

Quesiton: I don't see any symmetrical V series in the site, did it get discontinued or something?

I mean this one

Yeah, looks like it did get discontinued.

But it probably wont be long before we get the new Gary Holt signature V..


Gary Holt Instragram: