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Discussion in 'General Music Discussion' started by Dooky, May 10, 2021.
All the respect goes to the girl that didn't try to take advantage of the easy situation
The same Western culture that hosts thousands of Porn sites that get millions a views each minute? Guess what that "culture" does watching those videos.
The Kinky Road
Someone had to stare at that for long enough to photoshop it!
Well, that's already more than I wanted to see.
Yep, and you ALL have been reported to proper authorities.
I hope you all end up in internet jail for crimes against my sanity! Jerks!
Ignoring the fact that I have an (albeit photoshopped) image of him rubbing one out etched into my brain, I got into quite the sensitive discussion about this with my housemate.
To him, Ellefson cheating on his wife is between him and his wife, and him being a pastor is little deviation from the hypocrisy we already see all the time BUT it doesn't fly that what happened was between two consenting legal adults.
There's a clear age differential where at least a potential abuse of power (ignoring the fame thing too) is a thing. Me and him always agreed that people don't really become properly self-aware until around your mid-20s; anyone below that age "doesn't know shit about fuck". We certainly didn't when we were that young. It takes a whole lot of self-awareness to know what manipulation, at least of the more subtle kind, looks like. People above that threshold also can become better at manipulating those below it. Hell, I only recently realise how toxic many platonic friendships I had with people my age when I was younger.
[As a little aside, at the beginning of the convo I joked about XKCD's Creepiness Rule (https://xkcd.com/314/) with my housemate and he didn't see the funny side and totally tells me off for it (my girlfriend overheard and agreed he was being a bit po-faced). It basically agreed with his sentiment and besides, people joke about their arbitrary dating age standards all the fucking time. Then again he can sometimes be total Mr. Serious when it comes to "putting the world to rights"].
So with that in mind, the girl in question may introspect over the years and realise/decide down the line that she was manipulated/groomed. For that reason my housemate feels regret over those occasions where he dated people considerably younger than him. There's an unsettling potential power imbalance that comes with age gaps when the younger person is still part the way through that emotional arc of maturation. Nothing suddenly clicks psychologically when you turn 18 or whatever the legal age is in your jurisdiction.
Or hey, she might maintain her position. But within the very broad umbrella of 'legal' are behaviours which are moral, and others less so. The music industry doesn't have the sort of safeguards against abuse that say, an office environment does, where you've got a HR department, contracts which outline the broad boundaries of acceptable behaviour, etc. So it might be worth having a conversation about that kinda thing, given all the recent allegations that have come to light (because of a shifting social/political discourse that for all its faults has empowered people to come forward if an esteemed individual/group has mistreated them in the past or present).
It's actually kinda shocking how relatively okay people are with the mild/borderline paedophilia that's attached to the rock 'n' roll lifestyle as a trope. Maybe it's because it doesn't carry the aesthetically repulsive image of the bespectacled balding guy loitering around playgrounds or something. I hold none of these bands in contempt for it but listen to the lyrics of Winger's Seventeen, Extreme's Little Girls, Billy Idol's Sweet Sixteen, Motley Crue's anecdotes from their prime years:
"Another: the time Nikki was on a call-in radio show and a girl called in. When Nikki found out she was 12 years old, he said, “Good, I like twelve-year-olds. You get to hear the bones crack when you put it in.” It was not in spite of but because of the transgressive nature of these acts that they went on to become legend, earning the Crüe status."
Fuckin' eye-watering, man. I mean, Ellefson's act isn't anywhere near as shocking as that but I wonder if him having a thing with someone in their late teens is tied somewhat to the normalisation of these behaviours?
On the only proper tour I've been on, I was 21 at the time and one of the other bands on our package tour we were part of had two members (about my age or a tad older) who made a total thing of living the rock 'n' roll life and would obviously be scoping out girls. One time one of them was in pursuit of a 14-year-old fan and I was like "dude, are you sure about this? she's 14!" Like, she had her dad picking her up after the gig and all. But he emphatically, sardonically replies "I don't give a flying fuck" as if it was the same kind of naughty as scoring drugs and I was the lame-o.
Anyway, in a general sense it's not gonna reflect well on Ellefson and he'll struggle to live this down, even if it's simply an "embarrassing situation". I think I'd just wanna die. It's kinda all the more sad as a guitar/bass nerd that Ellefson has this line of Jackson basses that many people are gonna be put off buying and uncomfortable about if they already own one, due to the association. No doubt Jackson are monitoring the situation as well as Megadeth.
I don't revel in any misfortune that befalls him and I don't have any more respect for the person who maliciously leaked the footage/exchanges etc (because it was most likely done out of hatred for him rather than out of compassion for victims) but I do hope it provokes discussion and is a potential learning moment for a lot of people.
Imagine being on a discord where people are shitting on a YouTuber who is a creep, then going to another channel to give David Bowie fellatio, and getting mad when I point out the hypocrisy. Lmao
What did Bowie do, or was accused of doing?
He and Jimmy Page dated (or passed around, depending on how you look at it) a girl who was like 13-14.
Ellefson should start his own brand called Johnson
Lol! So what you're saying is, that because there's a prevalence of porn in western cultures that makes it perfectly normal to flop out your frank and beans and give yourself a hand shandy over an internet cam to a young lady when you're a public figure, pastor and married! Ok buddy
Well, we're 7 pages in, so... success?
I think if I skimmed over it properly, they meant that the prevalence of such twists people's idea of what is acceptable to such an extent that they think that is okay. Not sure I totally agree, but I see their point.
Guitar Memes on Facebook just posted this hahaha
Wankin' is my Business, and Business is Good lmao
Edit: oh somebody else already posted this. Pretty funny though lol
I like how he pulls his shirt up.
I mean...don't wanna have to do extra laundry if you don't have to. That's just wasteful.
I don't mean just on guitar/rock/metal internet forums, I mean more publicly. TV discussions, radio discussions and what have you.
Being realistic, I dunno if that's maybe the best you could ask for. Who else is really going to care about what David Ellefson does? It wasn't egregious enough for anyone outside of those circles to think twice about it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯