Covid 19/Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ralyks, Feb 27, 2020.

  1. Thorsday

    Thorsday SS.org Regular

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    Man didn't evolve to become apex predators by helping the weaker men. It's not me you are angry with. So many people hate nature and what is natural.
     
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    That doesn't make him wrong.

    This world is upside down for taking medical advice from unhealthy "doctors" who get you sick on purpose, so they can sell you drugs.

    Go follow the food pyramid, Sickbreed. No, better yet: Compose a song. An epic song about how much you love Bill Gates, fat bodies, and comfort.
     
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    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    Man became an apex predator based on cooperation and innovation. Unscientific edgelords believing in conspiracy theories are the opposite of why mankind succeeded.

    Imagine in your head any person in modern society who contributed notably to mankind, out of the thousands of examples anyone would recognize from name alone. Now, are they anti-vax? Did they believe in Q-anon? Did they think doctors cause diseases? Didn't think so.
     
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    Define apex predator. Word sounds so scary so you bring your connotation of said word into a point of your argument. Of course I believe in helping fellow man/fraternity/family/tribalism.

    Here is the denotation of the word: An apex predator, also known as an alpha predator or top predator, is a predator at the top of a food chain, without natural predators.

    My argument is that we are smart enough to kill just about anything, and there is a conspiracy with corporations to make a malnourished populace that are easy to bend to their will.

    Hell yes, doctors want to kill you, useful idiots only have a sheepskin to push pills. They prescribe statins to lower your cholestrol to some arbitrary number... You're made of cholestrol. You accept the statins and you are paying to kill your own cells. That's just one of many examples.

    Don't lump me in with right wing extremists. I observe trends, search for data and think for myself, with common sense. My God given gut tells me so much about people and the world.

    It all goes back to health...
     
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  6. fantom

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    Helping weaker men is called cooperative behavior. It is the exact reason humans are so successful from an evolutionary standpoint...

    I'm sure even you see the irony of throwing out a naturalist / survival of the fittest attitude using the internet. Unless you are Amish and can live off the land, it's kind of hypocritical and lazy to fallback on the "nature says I'm right" argument. I had an ex that fell back to this argument anytime she didn't get what she wanted. I see patterns too.

    Or maybe it's just capitalism and survival of the fittest. You just haven't realized that you are one of the weak ones. I am too, welcome to the club!


    Btw, you may not call yourself a Republican, and you probably aren't by current standards. But your views on life align with many Republican families I knew growing up (including my own). I wouldn't be surprised if you were still in the political closet.
     
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  7. Abominorg the Grotesque

    Abominorg the Grotesque SS.org Regular

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    I remember in the mid 2000s when you would frequently hear about "pandemics" occurring in the PRC like bird flu, swine flu, H1N1 etc it often occurred to me that it might all literally be bullshit. The Chinese state is a scientific bureaucracy where they have this system where the state health authorities micromanage society and literally have eugenics policies and population-numbers-reduction shit like the One-Child policy. Like, that's what the scientific/medical culture of this supposedly pandemic-ridden society is like. Think people like that might BS the entire thing for political reasons?

    Considering the fact that they are actual totalitarians, the PRC regime was more than likely using widespread fear of pandemics to simply rule the population through fear similar to how the US and other Western countries at the time would use the fear of terrorism and terrorist attacks. If you can create an atmosphere of constant crisis and paranoia people will go along with pretty much anything their government asks them to do and support totally fascistic measures they wouldn't normally. The public, in any country, has almost none of the resources at their disposal to verify things like mortality rates beyond the official figures the government gives them. In a political climate where its socially unacceptable to question the official figures, you literally have no way of knowing whether there actually is a real pandemic going on, or you've merely been made to believe that there is by those in power, so that they might gain more power.

    In early 2020 when the disease had only been around for like a month and the talking heads on the news were already going on about "the new normal", and even talking about using the Army or National Guard to deal with the disease, I began to perceive that there is a fairly strong possibility we were all being had the same way we were after 9/11 and the place was about to become authoritarian as fuck again.

    There might be a kernel of truth to panics about diseases the same way that there is a kernel of truth to panic about terrorism, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to completely alter the nature of society and people's way of life the way this thing has been for over a year now.

    You let those sort of situations go on for decades at a time, where some crisis happens, people go into full-panic mode, let the gov's pass all kinds of restrictive measures, and after a number of decades it accumulates to the point that you're living in a totally different society from the one you started out in.

    I've always thought the practice of wearing sick masks in public all the time is dehumanizing and primarily about creating a culture of social control and conformity rather than disease prevention. Japan, although a relatively free society compared to China, has a deep-seated culture of, like, not bucking the system and very collectivist social attitudes; so its not surprising that it became a phenomenon there years before an actual pandemic happened. Japanese society is kind of like America circa 1950s, although the masks lend a creepy cult-like atmosphere to the place. Yeah, it probably is healthful in some way or another, but it is also ludicrous and dystopian. I think its pitiful to see almost an entire people adopt such a custom in the span of like one generation.

    Some cultures actually are just more germophobic than others, in a sort of irrational way. I don't care how healthful a squat toilet might be, you couldn't pay me to use one of the things, because they strike me as absurd.

    I thought in the US people would generally be way more resistant to masking, but most people don't really care anymore because they're so spiritually and emotionally defeated from having lived through the post-9/11 era, and now this, that they're cool with going along through life like they're citizens of some Asian police state. Or like Jake Gyllenhal in that Bubble Boy movie.

    It is absurd to live life as though you were in a friggin' hospital ward; there's just no way that the world you live in is actually as hellishly dangerous of a place as the fucking fear mongers on TV have been making it out to be for years. I tell myself every day: Dude, there is no way that you were unfortunate enough to have been born in some Apocalyptic age with all this mayhem out of "28 Days Later" or "The Day After Tomorrow" going on; and the world is, in fact, that exact same decent, friendly, and free place I remember from when I was a kid. For years now its seemed to me like 90% of the human race just went nuts after 9/11 and are basically obedient brainwashed slaves.

    I personally believe that the absolute worst types of societies...the most oppressive cultures that are the most reminiscent of science-fiction police states, are ones where the scientist-class and science bureaucrats are in control of the state and run everything. You live in a place like that long enough and you'll start to see the return of every heinous and discredited science of yesteryear like eugenics, vivisection, human experimentation, etc, because the Dr. Mengele types will be able to operate freely, having set themselves up as an unaccountable state-funded bureaucracy that can't be freely criticized by the public or third parties. All of the humanitarian progress that was made in fields like psychology and medicine that were known for being riddled with social prejudices and exploiting and persecuting people in the 20th century happened because people were able to offer objective, third-party criticism of scientific institutions from outside of them, and the authorities didn't necessarily pander and kowtow to science, scientists and doctors as much as today. With institutionalized science and state-level bureaucracy you have none of the objectivity which science is supposed to embody, because they've become the new unquestionable guardian class and are corrupt as fuck.

    You know that society in the book The Giver, where eugenicists secretly run the state from behind the scenes and only the Giver and a few others know about it? That's what world civilization could end up turning into if people revert to that sort of unquestioning support for orthodox science and medicine they had in the early 20th century. A lot of what post-1960s culture was all about was this growing skepticism toward institutionalized science and a search for other ideas from around the world because it became obvious to people that misguided scientific and and healthcare institutions were actually ruining the world rather than improving it, and being used as an apparatus of abuse and tyranny.

    The way things have been going, I'd say...ten years from now, you're either going to be living in a place not too different from America circa 2019, or you're gonna be living in some kind of Coronavirus police state where people wear friggin' Body Condoms all the time and your employer forces you to get a vaccine every year. Deep down inside you'll know it doesn't do a fucking thing for you the same as flu shots. I think I speak for many a person's true personal conscience that they maybe are afraid to express when I say, Fuck That!
     
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  8. diagrammatiks

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    Is this a fucking copy pasta. Come on. There’s no way real people are this stupid.

    like how do you eat and breathe and shit.

    the funniest funniest part about this is that other then the borders being closed, China has been fine.

    I think I wore a mask for like 15 days.
     
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    Wait...all that to say that masks are authoritarian?

    Seriously, what is the problem with wearing a mask for a bit when you go to crowded places? And maybe just go to crowded places a little bit less too? Are we going to go full alt-right and compare that to the holocaust? Oh wait, you already did mention Mengele lmao :lol:

    The same people who complain that this feels neverending and authoritarian are the ones who pretty much ensured it would be neverending by not having worn a mask or not being willing to skip on their favorite activities for a couple of weeks. All in the name of muh freedom? So short-sighted...

    If you want to compare to other societies, people in New Zealand did it right from the start, didn't whine about "lack of freedom" for a couple of weeks... and they are now out and about living their normal life without mask as we speak. Cafes, bars, schools, crowded stadiums, normal gatherings, you name it... Oh, and they saved thousands of lives too btw. As for Japan? "Creepy cult-like atmosphere" are clearly the words of someone who knows nothing of the culture or country.
     
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    Yeah American society generally is authoritarian as hell during any crisis period and people tolerate a level of statism and government intervention in their lives that they wouldn't under normal conditions. The period during the World Wars is a good example, it was literally like living in a socialist country where they had mandated ration programs, the Alien and Sedition Act, draft, etc. It took decades to reign some aspects of that in, society was still a lot more militarized in the 1960s than it is today where people pretty much take it for granted that the government doesn't like outright control your industry as a state monopoly, and the military plays a more diminished role in society.

    There's nothing normal about stuff like vaccine passports; the Normal was what life was like when you didn't have to deal with horseshit like that, and the society you now live in is some new and more centralized and bureaucratic place they've replaced it with. Its like dealing with Darth Sidious in Star Wars III, you actually have to make the authorities return society to normal and demand it of them because they won't willingly give up the new emergency powers they acquire in the midst of one of those periods.
     
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    I agree that the 9/11 response was absurd. TSA is a waste of time. Scanners suck. Unlimited ability for the feds to spy on citizens without a warrant is bad. And I wouldn't be surprised if the response did absolutely nothing to keep us safer. I was complaining about this junk since day one.

    What does any of this have to do with a pandemic sickening people again? I can tell you hate 9/11, but this is an ongoing virus mutating and infecting people. Viruses don't hate people because their skin color, religious preference, or whatever some dude did 50 years ago with bombs. Viruses don't retaliate and instigate. The moment you personify a virus to give you an excuse to ignore it is the moment you are competing with your own biases. It's almost as dumb as saying we should ignore forest fires because Napoleon burned down your great grandpa's hut.

    If you want to know if the virus is real, go to a hospital and ask if you can volunteer in the covid ward or with testing. Talk to people who have first hand experience and get healthy information.
     
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    Um... We've had vaccine records for decades that are required to enroll kids in public school. Pretty normal, right?

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/records/find-records.html
     
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    Dude. I've been to Japan. North, Central and South. Right before the pandemic. Very few wear masks.

    You compare California USA to New Zealand and boast infection rate differences? You're funny. Who goes to New Zealand? I'd love to. Just haven't booked it!
     
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    Fuck public school. California is a shit show of welfare/unemployment toads who are more comfortable on The Dole than working a job. It's a straight up Worker's Party Revolt.

    Not to say I am not a proponent for individuals having a purpose... The System is being gamed. But thuh plandemic... PSYOP against human weakness...
     
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    Basically everyone wears masks if they're visibly sick (or if they're girls and have a blemish). I just passed probably 3,000 Japanese people today and I could count on my digits how many were not wearing masks. And as for dystopias... yea, super creepy to be able to take mass transit in a populated city and not get sick every couple months like in London/NYC....
     
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    This is why America needs universal health care.

    In the rest of the world doctors aren't trying to scam us because the system isn't for profit. Epipens don't cost $1000 each. People trust their health care professionals.

    All this anti-medical establishment conspiracy nonsense is America's biggest export.
     
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    Epipens cost $1000 in the USA??? Far out!!
    I bought two for my son and got change from $100AUD a few months back!

    Medicare certainly has some awesome benefits! Yes I do understand that our tax dollars have paid for the remaining costs, but let's spread the love for the greater good.
     
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    I also think you have to have some sort of basic humanity and capacity for empathy to start with, though. I am working on a second bachelor's degree in cultural anthropology this time and it has been a cool ride so far. I have come to understand much more regarding the social constructs of race and gender that I would have had no way to comprehend before. The thing is people have to want to change. I started to realize that I was a racist ignorant douche and I wanted to stop being an ignorant racist douche. Unfortunately a most of my former friends and my family are quite content to remain ignorant and intolerant.
     
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    I mean, people dying is pretty big red flag. Nurses getting burnt out. Do you know anyone who works in long-term care? They had to witness people in their care drop like flies.
     
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    They had to witness people in their care drop like flies.... all the way to the bank

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