Covid 19/Coronavirus

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  1. Ralyks

    Ralyks The One Who Knocks Contributor

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    Nope. Tossing and turning from 2:30 on with a bit of a fever. Now just really tired and sore all over now.
     
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    Wuuthrad SS.org Regular

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    Bummer, although the way I understand it is that response means your immune system is up to the task.
     
  3. Demiurge

    Demiurge Intrepid Jackass

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    Got Moderna part 1 earlier this afternoon. I've been feeling like ass as of late with allergies so I wonder if I'll even notice side effects.
     
  4. fantom

    fantom Misses his 6 strings

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    So I'm not sure if this has been discussed already.

    Can someone please explain to me why conservatives cannot just stick to one story? For months, they were preaching herd immunity was the only way out of this mess. Now that we have a vaccine available to reach herd immunity, like 40% of them refuse to take it. So all that bullshit about herd immunity is now irrelevant because "my body, my choice". Why even pick that phrase, just to piss off raped women who want to have an abortion but get dicked over by zealotry?

    Seriously, if everyone had just chilled at home for 3 weeks over a year ago, the virus would have died off. We would have saved trillions in economic impact. No restrictions would exist. But people chose to do stupid shit because "herd immunity" and "freedom". Now they are making things drag out longer by refusing to be vaccinated. I seriously hope some of these people just get sick at this point. Not legitimate people with health conditions and allergies, but the ones who think Ted Cruz's opinion should override multiple infections specialists, they can catch this shit and suffer. It would be God's Will, right?

    Sorry if this is opinionated. I'm just getting really tired of hearing crappy reasons. I really need to hear a decent one that isn't just trying to incite people.
     
  5. bostjan

    bostjan MicroMetal Contributor

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    Because conservatives are not monolithic. I've said it before, but the conservative movement in the USA right now is simply the collective counter-culture political movement.
    I hate to dig up a dead horse, but whether or not the concept of "herd immunity" can even apply to something like this virus, which mutates 5x faster than any other serious disease-causing virus is a concept up for debate. The vaccine is thought to not work as well against the "P" strains of the virus from Brazil, and vaccine companies are working quickly to provide a booster.
    However, the overall general concept of "this thing ends sooner if more people get vaccinated" is 100% valid.
    However, however, the vaccines available are still technically experimental, so long-term side-effects might end up being a thing, and the government will just shrug if they are, because this was an emergency, and the unknown long-term side-effects were assumed to be very likely less serious than the long term side effects of the virus.
    It's something I can sort of see both sides, but to me, it's clear that one side is weighing risks far more appropriately than the other. Analogy- if covid were a hungry tiger and the vaccine were a tranquilizer dart, would you choose to use the tranquilizer dart on the tiger to neutralize and risk the one in a million chance that the tiger might have an opioid tolerance and just get angry, or would you take your nine out of ten chances of being eaten by not using the dart?
     
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    most of the people that i speak with who dont want to take it think they would be fine if they got it and question how it was able to come to market so fast. depending on how far down the rabbit hole they are you start to hear rumblings about bill gates and other craziness. they hear stats that make it seem like over 99% of people who get will be fine and never think they would be one of the people to have a bad case or long haul symptoms.


    it also seems like right wing media tends to overly focus on the very few instances of side affects which drowns out all of the good its probably doing. oh look 6 people out of millions got blood clots, lets talk about that 24/7 instead of the fact that it probably saved many many more people's lives and by focusing on this we are convincing many more people not to get it.

    why did trump take it privately??? he could have done a lot of good by getting it publicly while telling people to get it.
     
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    zappatton2 SS.org Regular

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    I also tend to think "reactionary conservatism" falls into an endless "shifting of the goalposts" tendency. Think of climate change; first, it's a lie. Then, okay, it's not a lie, but climate has always been changing and we're not the culprit. Then, okay, we're driving it, but anything we do about it will destroy our economy and embolden socialism.

    I have members in my family who can't even remember how much they fought against gay rights in the 80's and 90's, who now spread anti-Muslim and immigrant memes, citing gay rights as the precious thing we'll lose to the incoming horde. It's bizarre.
     
  8. fantom

    fantom Misses his 6 strings

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    Ya, the fact that people completely fail to understand orders of magnitude when discussing chances/odds is what really gets me.

    Given the current info, you are like 10x more likely to get struck by lightning and die then die from J&J... Yet people really care to avoid the vaccine.

    Quickly looking up numbers, the average american is 2x more likely to die in a mass shooting than from J&J...

    And that isn't even considering the other 3 major vaccines right now.

    It's ok though, buying 10 lottery tickets per week will make people millionaires!
     
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    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

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    Tucker Carlson, on his show on Fox News:

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    fantom Misses his 6 strings

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    Tucker Carlson doesn't have to think of a reason. All he has to do is ask an expert and relay the reason.

    The fact that these people influence public opinion on a "news" channel is beyond me. The science behind vaccines is pretty simple: Your immune system can deal with it, but you are still able to infect others. Those people might not be immunized yet or they might not be able to be immunized for other reasons.

    The fact that a news show cannot consult a single expert and just report the advice is farcical. The fact they think they have to figure out the result and act as medical doctors should be illegal and punished.
     
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    I swear this is actual population control at this point like nature started making us dumber to help keep numbers in line lol.
     
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    lurè Fake Shredder

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    aaand one of my 2 classe has been shut down due to covid after just 1 day of work
     
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    thraxil cylon

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    And.... Ted Nugent has Covid...

    I hope he survives, but I'm OK with him having a really miserable time of it.
     
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    I'm as indifferent to his survival as he is to human decency. I won't wish for his death, but I certainly won't waste any effort on hoping for his recovery.
     
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    Drew Forum MVP

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    Dude is an idiot. There's a pretty clear reason - if we start telling people who have been vaccinated they don't have to wear masks in public (his bit on social distancing is odd, since we ARE telling them they don't have to distance or wear masks indoors in private with unvaccinated low risk individuals), then the number of people wearing masks in public will start to drop, social norms will change for it, and unvaccinated people who just don't want to wear a mask will feel less social pressure to do so, because there;s no ready way to prove they aren't actually vaccnated.

    Keeping a public mask mandate in place until we approach a vaccination level that should provide herd immunity is just a really effective way of keeping unvaccinated people wearing masks. It has little at all to do with vaccinated people, save that it's not like it HURTS them.
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a vaccine do nothing in terms of your ability to spread it to other people anyway? You might not get sick yourself, but if we have no proof it stops you from being a carrier, then the mask is still necessary because it's not about protecting yourself at that point.

    I mean, for a lot of us, it was never about protecting ourselves anyway - I could get the rona and be fine - but I know plenty of people who wouldn't be if they got it from me.
     
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    Sort of. Maybe. But maybe not. In some cases, vaccines do indeed prevent you from spreading the illness. Sometimes they can have a transmission-blocking effect, but the other way they can help is if the vaccines allows your body to keep any viral load you DO carry very low, decreasing the likelihood that someone would get infected by what you are spreading, basically reducing the concentration/effectiveness of the virus in a specific volume of spit, etc.

    And actually, and I could be wrong, but I think all of the "big 4" vaccines do indeed show some signs that they MAY reduce transmission, this is actually one of the harder things to test for because of so many variables. Right now, there's a large study going on with college students getting frequent tests to test this very thing, which seems to currently be our best-case-scenario to understand how well it might work.
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    That guys video and the articles on his website add nothing to the conversation that haven't been discussed to death. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    His website is full of gems:
    Plus the usual rantings about zinc and fluoride and Bill Gates and everything being an affront to church-goers.
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    Hah, I somehow missed the best one:

     

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