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The utterly loathsome garbage Republicans in my state supreme court/legislature are about to overturn the safer at home order and say everything has to open until they come up with a new plan. What. the. fuck. What's even the point of a new plan once everything's open and everyone's kicked off unemployment? The cases in the state will explode and the cat will be out of the bag.

They were just furious we weren't keeping up with Georgia and Texas on the dumbass scale. I HATE that a little minority of assholes can destroy everything positive that our state had been doing. It's a good example of how the country is functioning as a whole.
 

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Badwater Basin in California is 282 below sea level, making California the "deepest" state.

It's also the highest state in the lower forty-eight. Whoah, like, I just had a thought, that, like, sometimes you have to get, like, really high, like, to be able to, umm, go really deep, dude. Like, what were we talking about again, dude? :lol:

nah, you prolly just misunderstood his sarcasm or yesterday was fake news.

If I've learned anything from Trump, it's that I can lie about anything and later claim sarcasm as a defense, and also that if you deny something to the bitter end, people will give you an extraordinary amount of leeway. You never get caught in a lie that way, because when you lie it's just people misinterpreting your sarcasm, and if they have evidence of deeds you've done to disprove your intent, you just cause a bunch of chaos until people either forget why they hate you or it simply takes to long for them to explain it whilst you are constantly interrupting them.

So, you remember ages ago, I posted about there being two different strains of the virus? No?

Regarding all this talk in the news lately about people being reinfected...

1. I had mentioned earlier that there was a Chinese study that had separately identified two strains of the virus: an ancestral "S" strain and a more aggressive "L" strain. Well, now what we are seeing is that there is still a fairly dominant "S" strain, same as before, but, now, there are more than two dozen more aggressive strains. This is just a hunch, but I have a feeling that these more aggressive strains are not branches off of the L strain, but parallel branches off of the S strain. Early on, there was a lot of debate about whether the S strain was really less aggressive or not, but the debate has died down and there does seem to be some evidence to support the idea that the original virus transmitted to humans was highly contagious but not very deadly. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that has all of its information stored in RNA protected by a small envelope of cell membrane (lipid bilayer). These sorts of viruses are prone to a lot of rapid mutation. Most of what we know about mutations of RNA viruses refer to influenza and adenovirus. Adenovirus can mutate very rapidly (with new strains created over the course of months), but poses little danger. Influenza poses more danger, and mutates new successful strains every few years. Coronavirus, in size, is about halfway between, and has now reached the point where, without historical data, any particular strain of this thing going around cannot be narrowed down to SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2, because there is so much variation. It looks probable that these L-strains (now at least 26 of them) are mutating from the S strain, and the epidemiology involved is that people with the S strain have mild symptoms, and are more likely to travel and infect others, where the virus mutates into one of the several L-strains, and as such is more likely to develop harsh symptoms and be potentially lethal. The S strain keeps the virus spreading, though.

2. The reason there is no vaccine for the common cold is that there are so many hundreds of viruses that cause it. Even flu shots are a best guess at whichever strain is going to be bad that year, and even though influenza is influenza, strain H6N1 vaccine won't work against H2N2. If Covid-19 is caused by 27 strains of coronavirus that each require a different vaccine, then there is no reason to believe that naturally acquired immunity against strain S will work against strain L21 or whatever. Just from a common sense perspective, I do not believe that reinfection should be the least bit surprising, with that knowledge that the research community has shared with us.

3. Ok, I may sound like a broken record with this, but there are treatments for SARS. This thing is SARS, from a treatment perspective, they are the same group of virus. A SARS vaccine might not work against SARS-2, but the treatment is a totally different thing than a vaccine. We have a few treatments for SARS, and a bunch of them have been given limited test runs over the past 16 years against SARS. Since the president has a hardon for HCQ+Azithromycin, we should continue looking into that (even as most studies now show that it doesn't work against the virus, but rather just shuts off symptoms as it is an immunosuppressive and simply switches off the symptoms that are linked to the immune system fighting the virus), but, more importantly, we need a lot more data on other treatments that stemmed from SARS treatment. The problem is that SARS knowledge all goes back to places like East Asia, the middle east, and Africa, where the medical community may either not be trusted in the West or simply isn't transparent.

4. We still know very little about the virus, and as I type this, Trump is teasing about proclaiming that everyone go back to business as usual, just as we approach the peak of the spread of the virus.

There is starting to be some data coming in now about tracing those strains: https://arstechnica.com/science/202...-cov-2-mutation-overstep-data-grab-headlines/ maybe nothing surprising, but interesting, nonetheless. I think the fact that there are two distinguishable strains is crucial to remember as we develop treatments, vaccines, etc. If the antigens are of two different physical forms, I don't see how one vaccine could possibly cover them both. If we find out later that the two strains can mutate into each other somehow, then that could make this one of the most difficult viruses to combat globally.
 

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You guys can ask me, argue with me or alternatively I think it’s probably a better idea to watch the video and ask your own questions. That was my hope anyway, not to start an argument. I can’t really defend the assertions made in the video it’s not mine. I do think it’s worth consideration.

Translation: "I actually don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, and don't want to do the 'research' of a hasty Google search for shady and easily disprovable sources to try to shore up my belief that this is just a giant government conspiracy and not a pandemic, so I'm just going to tell you to do it for me."

Seriously, how do you post this with a straight face? People aren't going to hospitals in the middle of a pandemic and asking to be put on ventilators because they're bored on a Tuesday night and caught up on The Tiger King.
 

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I'm not trying to be intentionally cynical, my question is this: If we haven't seen the death rate decline significantly, and we reopen, how do we have any expectation of having only 100K deaths?
Been offline for a few days so only seeing this now. Bolded bit for emphasis the answer is we don't. Not until we see the case count decline significantly. I think we need one or two states to try and fail to reopen before we convince the country as a whole it can't be done safely, but I think ultimately that's going to be what happens - we realize we can't reopen, the states that aren't fully all in on shelter in place and face masks and social distancing will get on board in a hurry, and maybe by the summer the case load will start falling enough that we can do a ppased reopening coupled with aggressive testing and contact tracing.
 

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DARPA has identified several of the top antibodies responsible for fighting SARScov2 and are trying to reduce this to the top two or three. They have a means of introducing these antibodies into the body and causing it to produce those antibodies as if it were responding to a vaccine. They've proven the process effective in monkeys and will be starting human trial shortly.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/penta...-find-the-most-potent-coronavirus-antibodies/
 

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DARPA has identified several of the top antibodies responsible for fighting SARScov2 and are trying to reduce this to the top two or three. They have a means of introducing these antibodies into the body and causing it to produce those antibodies as if it were responding to a vaccine. They've proven the process effective in monkeys and will be starting human trial shortly.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/penta...-find-the-most-potent-coronavirus-antibodies/

Interesting. It will still probably take 3-4 months before it can go to production, if it works. But that's much faster than developing a vaccine. There had previously been talk of using antibodies from donated blood to do something similar. The problem with using donated blood is that there are a lot of religious people in the USA who are not allowed by their beliefs to accept donated blood.
 

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Time for the “thinking caps” boys and girls, ladies and gentleman, birds and bees, dogs and cats, yin and yang, Sodom and Gomorrah...I recommend wool. A few brief summaries:


-sic- “With this ‘new administration,’We are ‘extraordinarily confident’ we are going to see this in the next few years, a ‘surprise epidemic.’ Dr. Fauci


“My Job was to teach Ebola cells how to infect human cells without killing them” - Dr Mikovits


Federal law changes in the 80s allowed govt researchers to copyright vaccines funded by public money, which at minimum represents a conflict of interest.


Fauci is a Fraud- he funded Wuhan research facility, which accelerated the SARS 2 virus. (It’s not natural for a virus to accelerate in 10 years.)


“We’re taking a liberal approach to Covid 19 mortality.” - Dr. Birx


“If we’re not testing...they’re calling it Covid 19” Dr. Mikovitz


“If someone dies with Covid 19 we are counting that as a Covid 19 death” Dr Birx


“You don’t die with an infection, you die from an infection” Dr Mirkovitz


Medicare pays 13k$ for a Covid admission.

39K$ for a Ventilator patient.


Which will probably kill them.


Medicines that have been effective for decades have been shut down so that profiteering pharma corps can manufacture disease and their “cures”


There are no dissenting voices allowed anymore in this “free” country.


Mass propaganda has divided us and driven us to hate each other by design.




-edit- Bill Gates claims no safety until the entire global population is inoculated with his virus (or is it vaccine?) can’t remember the difference anymore!


^ Whole lot of nonsensical rambling.

And the basis of your video is a discredited researcher (and anti-vaxxer) who's had her paper withdrawn and hypothesis debunked. She's no better than Andrew Wakefield (not a Dr), Kary Mullis (genius in one field but a dummy in all others), Paul Duesberg, Sam Chachoua, or Dr Oz. Just because you get a degree doesn't mean you get a pass from being an idiot.

https://maldita.es/malditaciencia/2020/05/02/video-virologa-judy-mikovits-coronavirus/

tl;dr tell me more about chemtrails and GMO's
 
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Been offline for a few days so only seeing this now. Bolded bit for emphasis the answer is we don't. Not until we see the case count decline significantly. I think we need one or two states to try and fail to reopen before we convince the country as a whole it can't be done safely, but I think ultimately that's going to be what happens - we realize we can't reopen, the states that aren't fully all in on shelter in place and face masks and social distancing will get on board in a hurry, and maybe by the summer the case load will start falling enough that we can do a ppased reopening coupled with aggressive testing and contact tracing.

Honestly, at this point the total case count does not matter. The only stat that should dictate reopening is the number of active hospital vacancies (hospital beds, ICU beds, ventilators, and healthy well-rested staff). And that number has increased in most of the country over the last 2 weeks.

I personally favor being cautious, but in this stupid country, a realistic goal is making sure the healthcare system is... Healthy...
 
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So Trump just loudly started yelling for the supreme court to repeal Obamacare. Apparently some higher-up Republicans are even trying to talk him down, but he's going ahead with it. That would go over like a lead balloon during a pandemic, if Trump-supporting Republicans didn't seem to be actively rooting for their own deaths...
 

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The problem with using donated blood is that there are a lot of religious people in the USA who are not allowed by their beliefs to accept donated blood.

I'm saying this as someone raised in a religious family... If people choose to refuse medical treatment and die or get sick, let them. It isn't society's job to protect people from themselves. Let "God" pick sides. They can thankful when they get to wherever they end up. Just don't risk getting other people sick under the guise of "freedom". That is society's job. To protect ourselves from each other.

So Trump just loudly started yelling for the supreme court to repeal Obamacare. Apparently some higher-up Republicans are even trying to talk him down, but he's going ahead with it. That would go over like a lead balloon during a pandemic, if Trump-supporting Republicans didn't seem to be actively rooting for their own deaths...

Ya... The dumb part about it is that when this blows up on rural America, they will somehow find a way to blame Obamacare for dropping their coverage and think it is Obama's fault.
 

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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ial-cronyism-steered-trump-pandemic-response/

There is a link to the actual complaint in that article. It is just one person's word vs. everyone else, but Jesus this country is ****ed. I can't believe someone raised this many complaints as early as January and was effectively removed from the conversation and eventually "transferred" for saying common sense statements against superiors.

A lot of controversial topics from this thread are covered. He complained about shortage of PPE and exporting the stock to China before it happened. He complained about the political motivation regarding the hydroxychloroquine. He raised the death rate increasing under the drug. Raised concerns to build out more infrastructure and research for treatments in January. And the administration punished him for it?!? How do people support this administration anymore?

Also, in all hilariousness, every news article summarizes the complaint as damning evidence. Foxnews just mentioned he filed a complaint and ignored any ramification
 


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