- Jun 14, 2010
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Badwater Basin in California is 282 below sea level, making California the "deepest" state.
nah, you prolly just misunderstood his sarcasm or yesterday was fake news.
Regarding all this talk in the news lately about people being reinfected...
1. I had mentioned earlier that there was a Chinese study that had separately identified two strains of the virus: an ancestral "S" strain and a more aggressive "L" strain. Well, now what we are seeing is that there is still a fairly dominant "S" strain, same as before, but, now, there are more than two dozen more aggressive strains. This is just a hunch, but I have a feeling that these more aggressive strains are not branches off of the L strain, but parallel branches off of the S strain. Early on, there was a lot of debate about whether the S strain was really less aggressive or not, but the debate has died down and there does seem to be some evidence to support the idea that the original virus transmitted to humans was highly contagious but not very deadly. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that has all of its information stored in RNA protected by a small envelope of cell membrane (lipid bilayer). These sorts of viruses are prone to a lot of rapid mutation. Most of what we know about mutations of RNA viruses refer to influenza and adenovirus. Adenovirus can mutate very rapidly (with new strains created over the course of months), but poses little danger. Influenza poses more danger, and mutates new successful strains every few years. Coronavirus, in size, is about halfway between, and has now reached the point where, without historical data, any particular strain of this thing going around cannot be narrowed down to SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2, because there is so much variation. It looks probable that these L-strains (now at least 26 of them) are mutating from the S strain, and the epidemiology involved is that people with the S strain have mild symptoms, and are more likely to travel and infect others, where the virus mutates into one of the several L-strains, and as such is more likely to develop harsh symptoms and be potentially lethal. The S strain keeps the virus spreading, though.
2. The reason there is no vaccine for the common cold is that there are so many hundreds of viruses that cause it. Even flu shots are a best guess at whichever strain is going to be bad that year, and even though influenza is influenza, strain H6N1 vaccine won't work against H2N2. If Covid-19 is caused by 27 strains of coronavirus that each require a different vaccine, then there is no reason to believe that naturally acquired immunity against strain S will work against strain L21 or whatever. Just from a common sense perspective, I do not believe that reinfection should be the least bit surprising, with that knowledge that the research community has shared with us.
3. Ok, I may sound like a broken record with this, but there are treatments for SARS. This thing is SARS, from a treatment perspective, they are the same group of virus. A SARS vaccine might not work against SARS-2, but the treatment is a totally different thing than a vaccine. We have a few treatments for SARS, and a bunch of them have been given limited test runs over the past 16 years against SARS. Since the president has a hardon for HCQ+Azithromycin, we should continue looking into that (even as most studies now show that it doesn't work against the virus, but rather just shuts off symptoms as it is an immunosuppressive and simply switches off the symptoms that are linked to the immune system fighting the virus), but, more importantly, we need a lot more data on other treatments that stemmed from SARS treatment. The problem is that SARS knowledge all goes back to places like East Asia, the middle east, and Africa, where the medical community may either not be trusted in the West or simply isn't transparent.
4. We still know very little about the virus, and as I type this, Trump is teasing about proclaiming that everyone go back to business as usual, just as we approach the peak of the spread of the virus.
You guys can ask me, argue with me or alternatively I think it’s probably a better idea to watch the video and ask your own questions. That was my hope anyway, not to start an argument. I can’t really defend the assertions made in the video it’s not mine. I do think it’s worth consideration.
Been offline for a few days so only seeing this now. Bolded bit for emphasis the answer is we don't. Not until we see the case count decline significantly. I think we need one or two states to try and fail to reopen before we convince the country as a whole it can't be done safely, but I think ultimately that's going to be what happens - we realize we can't reopen, the states that aren't fully all in on shelter in place and face masks and social distancing will get on board in a hurry, and maybe by the summer the case load will start falling enough that we can do a ppased reopening coupled with aggressive testing and contact tracing.I'm not trying to be intentionally cynical, my question is this: If we haven't seen the death rate decline significantly, and we reopen, how do we have any expectation of having only 100K deaths?
DARPA has identified several of the top antibodies responsible for fighting SARScov2 and are trying to reduce this to the top two or three. They have a means of introducing these antibodies into the body and causing it to produce those antibodies as if it were responding to a vaccine. They've proven the process effective in monkeys and will be starting human trial shortly.
Time for the “thinking caps” boys and girls, ladies and gentleman, birds and bees, dogs and cats, yin and yang, Sodom and Gomorrah...I recommend wool. A few brief summaries:
-sic- “With this ‘new administration,’We are ‘extraordinarily confident’ we are going to see this in the next few years, a ‘surprise epidemic.’ Dr. Fauci
“My Job was to teach Ebola cells how to infect human cells without killing them” - Dr Mikovits
Federal law changes in the 80s allowed govt researchers to copyright vaccines funded by public money, which at minimum represents a conflict of interest.
Fauci is a Fraud- he funded Wuhan research facility, which accelerated the SARS 2 virus. (It’s not natural for a virus to accelerate in 10 years.)
“We’re taking a liberal approach to Covid 19 mortality.” - Dr. Birx
“If we’re not testing...they’re calling it Covid 19” Dr. Mikovitz
“If someone dies with Covid 19 we are counting that as a Covid 19 death” Dr Birx
“You don’t die with an infection, you die from an infection” Dr Mirkovitz
Medicare pays 13k$ for a Covid admission.
39K$ for a Ventilator patient.
Which will probably kill them.
Medicines that have been effective for decades have been shut down so that profiteering pharma corps can manufacture disease and their “cures”
There are no dissenting voices allowed anymore in this “free” country.
Mass propaganda has divided us and driven us to hate each other by design.
-edit- Bill Gates claims no safety until the entire global population is inoculated with his virus (or is it vaccine?) can’t remember the difference anymore!
Been offline for a few days so only seeing this now. Bolded bit for emphasis the answer is we don't. Not until we see the case count decline significantly. I think we need one or two states to try and fail to reopen before we convince the country as a whole it can't be done safely, but I think ultimately that's going to be what happens - we realize we can't reopen, the states that aren't fully all in on shelter in place and face masks and social distancing will get on board in a hurry, and maybe by the summer the case load will start falling enough that we can do a ppased reopening coupled with aggressive testing and contact tracing.
The problem with using donated blood is that there are a lot of religious people in the USA who are not allowed by their beliefs to accept donated blood.
So Trump just loudly started yelling for the supreme court to repeal Obamacare. Apparently some higher-up Republicans are even trying to talk him down, but he's going ahead with it. That would go over like a lead balloon during a pandemic, if Trump-supporting Republicans didn't seem to be actively rooting for their own deaths...