C tuning and scale length

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  1. Ericjutsu

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    I'm thinking about getting the ESP LTD EC1000T which is 24.75 inch scale length but plan on using it in either drop C or C standard tuning. What do you guys think of that? Anyone else use shorter scale length guitars for lower tunings?
     
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    Just use heavier gauge strings?
     
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    I had the EC1000 in drop C for our music many years ago. Excellent guitar BTW!
    Never had trouble with the scale, use the larger ga strings as said before. I used Elixirs. they have a set with .052 that would work well.
     
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    I use my explorer (24.75) with no problem using 56-11. you will need to have it set up properly.
     
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    A short scale plus heavy strings has been a stoner/sludge metal hallmark for decades. I had my wife's LP copy set up in C a while ago, and despite all that guitar's issues the scale length with that tuning was not one of them.
     
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    Have two guitars in drop C with both 24.75 and 25.5" scales, using 10-52 gauge strings on both. Have a 25.5" scale guitar set up in C# with 11-54s.

    No issues on either....
     
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    I used 12-56 on a 25.5 in drop C. So if you hate bending as I did at the time, that will do nicely even at 24.75
     
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    I've had my S2020, which is 24.75" scale, in drop C with 11-56 strings with zero issues.
     
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    56 seems a bit much for C. I was thinking 52 or 54 at the thickest. I'll try it though. Thanks everyone
     
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    A .054 tuned to C will feel pretty close to a .042 tuned to E. Definitely usable, but very much on the light side.
     
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    The D'addario 12-60 set is great for C standard as long as you replace the 3rd string with a wound 22 or 24.
     
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    I use the 12-60 set for drop C on a 25.5" Strat and they're awesome.
     
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    Try 52, 54 , 56, 59 and 60 to see what works for you. If its going out of tune when you pick hard try a thicker string.
     
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    I use D'Addario EXL117 (011, .014, .019, .032, .044, .056) for my 25" tuned to drop C. I quite like them but the truth is the low C can't handle it 100%. I'll be giving a .60 and a .64 a try.

    also, give this bad boy a try:
    String Tension Pro
     
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    I mainly go for 11-56 for 24 3/4" scale. Not saying anything new, but any heavier than that I struggled to play.
     
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    On 24.75" it might be a little bit too floppy... but for 25.5" there's just no better sets than regular 7-string 10-56. Just ditch the .46 and use .56 as a 6th string.
     
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    I went to a metalcore festival and I saw at least 20 guitarists with 24.75" scale guitars tuned to drop C or drop B...
     
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    Tons of major bands all use this tuning on that scale length. Sleep and Queens Of The Stone Age to name a couple famous ones. Heck, even Black Sabbath tuned to C# standard (5 of those 6 strings would be lower than in drop C, and I wonder if he even accommodated with thicker strings)

    D'addario even sells a set with written on it "Optimized for C tuning".

    [​IMG]

    Though I would beg to differ because as has been mentioned, a wound third is absolutely necessary (imho) for tonal reasons. I generally buy this pack but switch out the third. If I was a very smart guy I would just order custom sets like that.
     
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    Yupp, No problemo!
     
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    Yup, my main guitar is 24.75" and tuned to C standard, occasionally drop-C and I use 12-54. Feels just right, light enough to bend easily but not too floppy, although I generally like strings on the lighter side, I find they sound better than thicker strings.

    I'll never understand why string companies include a plain .20 string, they sound, feel and play like crap.
     

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