Bugera 6262 Infinium or Blackstar HT 60

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Bugera or Blackstar?

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  1. monorady

    monorady Avid Lurker

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    Hey guys, so I am torn between buying a used Bugera 6262 Infinium 2x12 combo or a used Blackstar HT Venue 60 2x12. They are both similarly priced ($350 and $450, respectively) in good condition.

    I play mostly metal and need something that can handle some thick modern metal tone (as well as keep up in a practice/gig setting), and the Bugera seems to be more suited for that. However Blackstar has better build quality, versatility, dependability, ect. ect. so that is where the tear stems.

    I guess my real question is will the Blackstar be able to handle the br00tal tone I am seeking? It's stocking 2 x ECC83, 1 x ECC82, and 2 x EL34 tubes and V30's, where as the Bugera has 4 x 6L6, 6 x 12AX7 and some stock speakers. I don't know a ton about tubes and everything but I do know the Bugera configuration is generally what you want for metal.

    If you haven't picked up on it already this will be my first tube amp. I do not know if I will be playing other genres than metal in college but I am hyped to start practicing with my tech death band this summer and calling around for gigs and such. I appreciate the help!
     
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    Bugera will probably handle extreme styles better as an amp because it's a Peavey 6505+ clone, but my concern would be how those stock speakers and combo cabinets sound usually, Blackstar has definetly better speakers. For br00tz you would have to boost your preamp with a tubescreamer and have a noisegate, no matter which one you get.

    How about getting a cheap tube head and cab of your choice with V30 speakers in it? It will sound a ton better, and when you want to move on from first tube amp you can just sell or change that amp.
     
  3. monorady

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    Getting a head/cab combo would definitely be preferable, but my parents are being generous enough to buy me an amp for graduation and I can't really go over ~$500.

    You think the blackstar could get heavy enough with an OD in front of it?
     
  4. Cynicanal

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    Will that Bugera hook up to an external cab? If so, you could get a Harley Benton 1x12 and still be within your budget.

    If you could find the head used, a 2x12 might even be possible.
     
  5. monorady

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    It's settled, I found a Peavey XXX head going for $275 and a 2x12 seismes cab with Eminence V128's for $220. They're both in budget! Can't wait to order them after school
     
  6. Smoked Porter

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    Blackstar isn't gonna do it without a preamp pedal of some sort, like the AMT or Diezel stuff. I had a stage 60 for a couple years, it'll get you into Iron Maiden territory at most while sounding decent.
     
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    Bugera 6262 Infinium is a great brutal amp, you can pair it if any cab so I'll go with it.
     
  8. TheWarAgainstTime

    TheWarAgainstTime "TWAT" for short

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    If you're patient, you can find a 5150 or 6505 2x12 combo for around $400-500 :2c: they're killer amps, reliable, and made in USA other than the most recent 6505's.

    You might even look at the 6505+ 1x12 combo. Almost the exact same circuit as the head version, but 60w and made in China. I've seen plenty of these go used for $350-400, which would also leave room for a speaker upgrade
     
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    I was under the impression that all of the combos we're based on the tighter/less saturated II/+ version; what's different about the + combo?
     
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    The 2 x 12 combos are based more closely on the original 5150/6505 circuit; the 1 x 12 combo is almost identical to the 6505+/5150 II, which is the "tighter" more upper-mids-emphasized tweak on the circuit (I wouldn't call it less saturated though.)

    The 212s are reportedly somewhere in between the original and +/II in feel and tone. A lot of people say it's the best version in the whole series.

    I own a 6505+ 112 that I converted into a head and a regular 6505 120 watt head. Both of them are equally capable of ripping people's heads off. Just in slightly different ways. :mf666:
     
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    The XXX is a killer head, so good choice. The cab with those speakers is a good combo as well. Great deal on that.

    But I would have chose the Bugera. I find the Blackstars sound pretty underwhelming, especially compared to the 6262. The 6505+/5150II is one of my favorite amp heads, so I'm pretty biased. A XXX is definitely the next best thing, so you amde the right choice.
     
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  12. monorady

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    Turns out the Peavey XXX is pickup only (states away)... disappointment ravages my soul.

    However, I do see a couple used 6560 2x12 combos going for $400 and $500, should probably go for one of those opposed to the Bugera, no?
     
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    Go for it! They're killer amps :metal: heavy as balls, both physically and tonally
     
  14. KailM

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    Yes, go for one of the Peaveys. They are built to survive a nuclear holocaust, and will beat the tone of the other two. Also, Bugeras have a terrible track record for unreliability. There was a time where the running joke when someone mentioned buying a Bugera was "make sure you have a fire extinguisher handy" -- and it wasn't without merit.
     
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    They sound like unusable at low volume. :lol: Well fairly enough you wouldn't want a 2x12 120W amplifier to play lullabies anyway, but the 6262 doesn't sound nice at low volumes. The speakers need to be pushed to deliver, and when I tried it I couldn't do that. It was the kind of amp where it didn't sound good at low volume, but if I tried to push it while sitting next to it in a music shop I'd blow my head clean off; even if I'll admit I'm quick to reach for earplugs. The Master control isn't friendly either if you're attempting to play at lower volumes. Any EVH 5150/Peavey 6505 I tried had more progressive controls.
     

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