Brexit: what will it do to guitar prices in Britain?

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  1. Edika

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    NHS has been gradually defunded to appear as dysfunctional so they can make the case of selling it off to private hands. Not that inside the NHS there hasn't been a waste of public money especially when constructing new hospitals. I had a friend that works in a company for electrical installations and said they changed their requirements 3 times before completing the work, costing them about 10 million pounds extra of what they would have had to pay if it was someone that knew what the hospital required from the beginning.

    I don't know if there's abuse of the system but unless you go private (and pay a boatload of money) or are dying there's no way you'll see a specialist in a timely manner. So something that could have been easily prevented will most probably end up being a serious ailment by the time you see someone that knows what they're looking for. Even if you want to do routine blood tests every year they'll turn you away because you're not ove 55 or some crap like that.
     
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    I agree. The NHS isn't perfect in terms of wastage of money but we must fight with everything we have not to move to a system like the one in the US, which is inhumane for a developed country.
     
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    I am currently doing afair bit of work with companies being impacted with the trade issues being caused due to Brexit and for the record I voted remain. Andromalia has hit the nail squarely on the head.

    We'll see effects on the GBP relative to other currencies being a big factor. That will then be skewed by tariffs on different sectors that will be dependent on any deals that the government can negotiate, so different goods and services could be affected differently to each other. They'll also vary depending on where things are going to and coming from.

    The next thing is the "distributor" issue. It'll be interesting to see whether the UK sees the range of products imported here shrink altogether. If the UK gets a bad deal (likely...) things physically imported to the EU27 (eg guitars from Asia) then shipped to the UK will be hit with two lots of tax and duties, which means they'll be hit with a massive bump in cost. If the UK's deal with Japan that was signed last week for example meant that guitars are tariff free then I bet there'll be a UK distributor trying to negotiate a deal with Hoshino directly to get Ibanez from Japan instead of getting them via Meinl in Germany.

    In the future we'll also see any regulatory divergence affecting the UK as an import destination. It's another hurdle that companies will have to clear to do business with the UK. If the UK has less stringent regulations, then any benefit will be lost if they try to sell overseas.
     
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    Then no offence why are you asking at all?

    If it's obvious, there isn't really a question since your only point of interest seems to be "will my gear be cheaper?". And the answer from most people here is No.

    If you want a definitive answer speak to a financial expert, not us.

    If you wanna talk trade deals, we could already do them before brexit. If you wanna cut out middle men, we could already do that pre-Brexit, but funnily enough no one was doing that.

    To cut a distributor out of your supply line is a massive undertaking, and unless you're supplying direct to customer like Kiesel, there is still a middle man somewhere.

    Take your example earlier Mesa. It's gone from Mesa - Distributor(who adds markup) - Andertons (who add markup) - you.

    If you only cut out the distributor there's still a middle man adding markup. Yes it's gotten cheaper, but unless that distribution side can be handles between supplier and store like the Mesa example then the price won't fall. Andertons can say "the middle man is cut out" but they're now the middle man, they still have to make money.

    If we're lucky and like @_MonSTeR_ says we have a deal with Japan and distribution switches to a UK company, the price will still probably be the same, because if you were paying £600 for an Ibanez that was distributed by Meinl, you're probably still gonna pay £600 for an Ibanez distributed by a UK company, or more considering they now have the whole UK market and want to make money. Capitalism.
     
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    Seems you are just looking for someone to say 'Yes gear will be cheaper, and here is why' but the wast majority here is of the opposite impression that gear (and everything else) will become more expensive in the UK. The GBP wil decrease in value, but even if it doesn't, the UK should not be able to negotiate better trade agreements because they are a smaller market. So even if there is a trade agreement I would assume the one EU has to be better, because it is a much bigger market, so the Japanese (or any other market) has a much bigger interest in having access to those markets.That is kinda the point of being a union :lol:

    It could be that some wares will become cheaper in the UK, but then it will probably be due to a decrease in quality and safety regulations on products. In the EU for instance there is some fairly high standards on how much pesticedis, various chemicals etc there can be in stuff like food, childrens toys etc and clothes not being made by child labor, even though it probably still is, and human rights in general. Sure if you are willing to compromize on those then you can probably get cheaper products, but do you really want to? And no that does not apply to US made guitars, so they will probably still become more expensive.
     
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    If the UK is lucky, we’ll see the ‘same’ deal with third countries that the EU has. That wil mainly be if overseas governments can’t be bothered to have to have separate rules for their exports for different parts of Europe. Most already complain about Switzerland having different rules and regulations ;)
     
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    Well American healthcare won't help you here.

    American GP's are gatekeeper denial-of-services bureaucrats whose sole reason for existing is to collect copays for making access to specialists difficult

    Also, for some unfathomable reason, generic made in India antibiotics that cost 50 cents to 5 dollars everywhere else somehow magically cost ~$170 here.

    Trust me you'll miss the good ol NHS
     
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    I moved to Canada from the US and having free health care is MINDBLOWING. Canada's health service has its problems, but not being bankrupted because you got sick is pretty huge.
     
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    True

    Even crappy free healthcare is nice to have as an option, --- you can always pay if you need something and can afford it, but it's nice when something straightforward like a few stitches, a script for antibiotics, or a certificate of physical wellness for school/work/license stuff is just THERE when you need it.

    Looks like I'll be getting a CDL soon because I can't seem to find normal stable work, and somehow the fact that I have to pay some quack $70 for a physical for it here in the US ---- DESPITE being insured ---- pisses me off
     
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    It has been answered. Your country left a trade union where it could negotiate as part of a large block to keep prices down.

    In terms of gear any vendor is going to happily maintain price parity with neighboring EU to prevent people from just importing gear cheaper from neighboring countries. And a British retailer/distributors that may replace EU-based distributors have zero incentive to cut the cost. They will likely just enjoy the full markup that user to be split between the distributor and retailer. That’s what an American company would do.

    So weird to see “guys tell me my gear will be cheaper and that this is actually great news!” regarding a country now set to negotiate global trade from a much weaker position than when it negotiated entry into the EU.

    Unless UK discovers massive oil reserves or becomes the exclusive creator of something like the internet global demand for the pound is likely to drop as companies move their business towards the EU.

    Demand for pound drops, value of pound drops, relative price of imports goes up.

    However enterprising leave-voters may take advantage of this artificial lack of competition and open up boutique shops to serve the UK market leading to new guitar and amp brands. Who knows.
     
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    I'm not for the NHS to be dismantled. Quite the opposite, I'm for free healthcare for everyone and if possible to revert all the damage the Tory's have done to it so far.
     
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    We are doomed.
     
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    Well at least Scotland has a chance of independence and a way back to the light. Us here in England on the other hand :(
     
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    Independence yes, EU membership unlikely

    Too many countries have wannabe-separatist provinces. Nobody wants the precedent, it'd get blocked super hard from all around
     
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    Nope, wrong. Don’t know what gave you that impression, I’m trying to work out when to make a large guitar purchase and wondering when is best and whether after a while prices will stabilise again. I’m also interested in the fact Mesa Boogie cut out their distributor and was wondering if anyone knew if other companies might do this while everything else was up in the air.
     
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    Uhhh we’re pretty locked in right now.


    I’m for Scottish independence but I wouldn’t particularly like to leave and join the EU as a very small country when the EU is already a little unstable with other countries wanting to leave themselves. Our government are a little silly in my opinion, even when we’ve been explicitly told by the EU that leaving grants us Immediate access to the EU they still campaign that it does.


    The SNP have done good but on topics of independence they don’t set out many concrete plans on how we support ourselves. I’m all for it but I’m not all for the SNP but then I’m not for any party really.



    Because when given a list of reasons why our economy won’t be in a good shape you said “let’s get back on topic”
    And then said “let’s get back to the topic of gear”

    If you’re going to make a large purchase and also know that prices of things will soon be unstable I’d urge you to maybe save.

    If you want a cheaper guitar take advantage of the used market, you can pick up a Prestige Ibanez for £450. The UK used Ibanez market is a gold mine imo.
     
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    No, wrong, that was in response to the posts that were just about Brexit and not about guitars. Why are you talking to me about used Ibanezes? That’s not even close to what I’m looking at, and it’s just bizarre to make a recommendation to someone when you have no idea what they’re after. I’ve had some interesting and useful responses in this thread, this ain’t one of them.
     
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    Haven't Andertons cut a distribution deal with Mesa and have reduced the prices of Mesa amps?

    Honestly I can't say when it will be a good time to make a large guitar purchase. With the imminent continuous recession that will last several years to come, especially with a no deal Brexit, I'd say unless you have funds in equities that won't be affected on the side and it's a sum you've already put aside for a purchase, you're better off holding on to that money.

    Unless you'll be selling and making a profit if prices skyrocket after Brexit, meaning that this will be your investment.
     
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    Dude the first response you get is a no to your question about cheaper guitars. Followed by multiple posts about people telling you why the economy will be unstable. You don't really need to get back on topic when the title of the thread is Brexit, and you're given subsequent replies about why the economy, during an ongoing pandemic, won't be in a good state after generational political change.

    Why am I talking about Ibanez, because you clearly want your guitars cheaper (or you wouldn't have started this thread) and thats a good market for decent cheaper guitars in the UK. Sorry for the recommendation, not like I'm trying trying to help. How about you tell us what you want? Because correct I have no clue what you want, but it's not a bad start to tell you where to get a good guitar at a cheap price.

    If you want an Ernie Ball I'll tell you right now it's gonna be expensive today and it's still gonna be expensive in 10 years.

    If you wanna go buy a guitar go buy a guitar, if you're thinking "Huh if I buy this guitar I could be in a tough spot with money sooner or later" Then maybe it's not the best time for you to buy one. I'd love to buy a new guitar, but I simply can't and I'd like to be able to live comfortably if I run in to a little trouble.

    I believe Mesa just cut their distributor. If you look at GuitarGuitar they have pretty much the same prices as Andertons.
     
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