Brexit: what will it do to guitar prices in Britain?

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  1. Adieu

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    Maybe he's from the part of China where they put the "Made in UK" stickers on Marshall and Celestion products?
     
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    Are they really doing that? Serious question.

    I know some of the Marshall range is made in China, but I was under the impression that at least some of their amps were still assembled in the UK. Maybe I'm wrong though.
     
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    Woah what? Is this one of those “assembled here made here” kinda things?
     
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    I'm in the US while my sister lives in the UK. She said one of the reasons for Brexit is the abuse of the Healthcare system. How true?

    But... what about "brown people"? Kinda offensive.
     
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    Sounds suspicious

    Although... I have heard that superconservative Ireland goes to the UK for their illegal-at-home abortions to the point that there's a popular euphemism like "she took the ferry to (some town I forget)" for an Irish girl heading to Britain for abortions
     
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    like the 3 percent of Marshall and celestial output still made in the uk?

    alrighty I guess.
     
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    Unsure in which way your sister means abuse but...


    In the UK a lot of right wing leaning people call out our immigration policy and immigrants using our national health service. This is obviously to cause divide, and while there is a problem with illegal immigrants in some areas many more are legal and working various jobs that help keep the UK afloat from manual labour to doctors.

    Both sides of the brexit campaign would talk about how they would save the NHS and after the vote it was found out that the party in power had already investigated selling off parts of our health service to private companies. A particular reason people don’t like brexit is because this obviously opens up trade talks and people DO NOT want our National health service being sold particularly when people like Donald Trump Show an interest.


    The brown people comment is not really offensive if it’s more poking fun at the people who voted as there were some serious undertones of racism from the “leave EU” campaign. Things like “take back our country” which is obviously a dividing statement and an easy vote for any white racist.


    It’s an ironic statement though given our country is built of immigrants, people blame them for taking jobs but at the same time won’t be willing to work the jobs that immigrants do.


    It’s racism pure and simple happens in every country.


    And it’s also the same politics as every other country. Every party is lying, as long as the rich stay rich it’s all okay.
     
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    Like, nonsense tbh. In the sense that it doesn’t really happen. But probably true as a reason some people voted for it.
     
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    A lot of bullshit about health tourism, which doesn't happen because the rest of the EU mostly has good healthcare systems. Except the Irish, there's is expensive as like a Daemoness because they build it with public money and then gift it to the church.
    I'm sure a lot of the southern Ireland members would object to this, because it is objectionable. ROI is arguably now more liberal than the UK. While the ferry to Liverpool thing used to happen, ROI have had abortion for a few years now. British ruled Northern Ireland only got abortions and gay marriage this year because our devolved government set some records for not going to work. In the last few years ROI has been moving away from being a theocracy, at least the population has been voting away from it.
     
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    ...ok so I watched some TV show from a few years back. Maybe a few things changed.

    Think bigot isolationist voters in the UK would know the difference or care, though?

    It's not facts but perceptions that matter in politics.
     
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    Think like UK versions of Trump voters, all you have to say is immigrants and thats enough reason for some to vote leave.

    And there are parties that play heavily on that perception.
     
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    There are also quite a lot of people who have voted to leave the EU for other reasons. For most, nine of these are financial, financially we appear to be torching ourselves. But it would be good to get this back on to a cost of gear thing if possible?
     
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    I feel like that's already been answered. Things won't suddenly get cheaper, I don't know what you think is going to happen.
     
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    I don't think this is going to happen fast enough to really make a huge impact. This is going to be a relatively slow burn as finer details of trade are ironed out, and since it's not a bubble, how the world reacts and recovers from covid will have more influence.

    Prices on guitars are going up everywhere, I don't see how the situation the UK has gotten itself into will lead to anything different, and will likely be worse if the GBP falls sharply.
     
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    It hasn’t been answered because I want more information about why things may happen and how quickly it will happen. “Things won’t suddenly get cheaper” is so obvious I may as well be speaking with a five year old.
     
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    Do you think this will be different if we go out on a no deal? Suddenly we’re paying a lot more automatically on all imports to an extreme degree aren’t we? In which case there may be a very rough year and then prices may come back down... but what company deliberately lowers their prices?
     
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    You paying more on imports is dependant on two things:
    -The relative value of the pound to the € and $
    -The tariffs your government might want to put on imports.

    The tariffs usually are implemented to protect local manufacturing. I could see amplifiers getting heavily taxed to protect Marshall, but the UK doesn't have any large scale domestic guitar company. Chapman sells made in asia guitars and his custom shop is inconsequential.
     
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    TBH it's just a matter of time until "traditional British brands" move all their production out of the UK; Brexit is only accelerating that. Marshall and Celestion already produce the majority of their portfolio in Asia.
     
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    It is... the way immigrants are depicted by Daily Mail etc is very offensive and borders on racist. In Durham people complain about Chinese grocery stores! Can you believe it?

    And the Healthcare system is a whole chapter for itself. In a nut shell: some people inside the Tory party want to sell it off to US Healthcare providers and rake in lots of cash. To prep it up they've developed this false narrative of immigration placing too much strain on the NHS etc. (immigrant tax contributions actually prop up the funding, as immigrants are more likely to be tax payers in the UK). At some point there will more statements saying that the only way to save the NHS is to get specialists taking over parts of it/radically reform it etc. Classic White Knight scenario.
     
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    I think it also depends on where the bulk of the guitars are shipped from, what is the country of origin of the company selling the guitars appears to be, where is the main distributor located etc etc. If Ibanez seems to be a global company with their headquarters located in a tax heaven country it'll depend on what kind of trade deal each country has. Plus I'm not 100% if something is manufactured in China and sent let's say to Japan for distribution of there's an import tax for goods coming from China. Or if those products are sent directly to the distributors on each country if they're taxes and have import duties as goods coming from China. Otherwise if it has to go through two or three countries then what trade deals are there to not have import fees and duties racking up?

    Fo most of the companies sent to distributors in the UK directly or is there a central distributor for the EU and then the UK take their great from there? If so price will be affected by £ to whatever currency the product is coming from. Plus whatever important duties and tax is added to the product. I remember that if shops don't have a distribution deal it seems that they're more or less buy products from the companies at face value and not the discounted price, pay VAT and import duties and then have to pay sales tax too along with VAT added to the sale for the consumer, driving the price of some products to really higher prices. I think that's what was happening with Mesa products for most of Europe and why they were that much more expensive than the US prices.
     

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