Blackmachine B6 NGD- Finally tracked down my white whale

Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by Jake, Oct 23, 2019.

  1. Humbuck

    Humbuck Can't stop, won't stop

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    First Blackmachine I've seen with the truss rod adjustment wheel where the neck joins the body instead of on the headstock fwiw... 67300775_2340278129385709_6813687889633738752_n.jpg
     
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  2. narad

    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    Obviously a decently thick cut of very nice quilt maple, but the way that's double stained, all I can think of is premium line:

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    Just super flat / 2D looking.
     
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  3. Humbuck

    Humbuck Can't stop, won't stop

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    You know, if it was a Les Paul, the double stain thing would kill me. On a B2 or superstrats in general, I think it can work. I think it works just fine on this B2. I don't care for that Ibanez at all.
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    What was that thing on Paint Shop Pro? Hot wax coating?
     
  5. Watty

    Watty Naturally Cynical

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    Cool that Jake was able to snag one and good that he was honest about the quality relative to other well known brands. Quite the collection too!

    As you indicated earlier on in that post, the funny thing is that he definitely reads his emails, he just doesn’t reply. I emailed him several times over a period of years politely enquiring about whether he was taking new orders and only got radio silence (all before his disclaimer about new orders on his website). Finally took your recommended tact and asked a reputable luthier - who would be known to this forum - to make a copy since he’s local to me and does stellar work. He agreed with one stipulation....Doug had to be okay with it. This luthier said he’d built copies of other luthiers’ designs in the past after securing their blessing to do so, so it seemed like he was actually on board pending that small detail. Based on my past experiences, I figured that the chances Doug would see his email, let alone reply, would be slim to none, so I said sure.

    Less than 48 hours later, I get an email from said luthier seemingly censuring me for even having asked him to do such a terrible thing as make a copy. I was told that Doug did see the email (within 24 hours no less) and essentially told him off “artist to artist” for asking for permission.

    The luthier and I discussed the situation at length via email; ultimately I was less frustrated with him and more peeved at Doug for the way he chooses to conduct business and himself online. To my knowledge, and correct me if I’m wrong, he’s never clarified his business model publicly, which would clear a lot of this up. We might hate on the guy for only building for rich folks or players he likes, but at least we could respect the fact he’s no longer giving the average joe false hope about being able to buy direct from him.

    Feline is another can of worms with their customer service, but at least they responded in some form to a few emails I sent a year or so after that happened.
     
  6. Lozek

    Lozek Desk Magnetic Contributor

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    Why does he need to publically clarify anything? He's not personally responsible for anybody's hopes and dreams and I'm not sure if he needs anybody's respect regarding his business model. If he wanted to build 'brand trust' and increase his sales volumes then that might be a good thing to do, but he doesn't. He just wants to build guitars that interest him, for people he chooses to work with.

    And I think he was absolutely right to chastise the luthier for requesting to copy his work. Would Fox go to Disney and expect to be able to copy Pirates of the Carribean with a Jack Sparrow'esque leading man? Sure, nobody can stop them making a pirate movie, and they could be unscrupulous and make an outright copy, but asking permission to be professionally discourteous up front? That's just odd.
     
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  7. narad

    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    ::cough:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion

    But yea, your analogy doesn't hold. The movies would be competing with each other, whereas in this case Watty wasn't going to get a BM anyway. It doesn't cost Doug a sale in the same way two competing Pirate franchises would harm each other.
     
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    Lozek Desk Magnetic Contributor

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    I don't think Kimba had the strident mids and acoustic resonance of the original.

    Not costing Doug a sale is my whole point. A lot of people critique Blackmachine with a pre-bias of commercialism, as though the mission is to up their sales volumes, ensure anyone who wants one can get one and increase trust in the company, but it's never been about that. In this case, it's a simple aritistic courtesy 'Don't copy my stuff'.
     
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    Watty Naturally Cynical

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    I’m not claiming that he has to do anything, simply stating that it’s a pretty bad look to leave genuine interest in his work unanswered with even an auto-reply while policing this sort of inquiry within hours...mainly in the context of replying to the post I quoted.
     
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    Lorcan Ward 7slinger

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    In the end all the copies, clones, variations etc just raised the price of Blackmachines up more and more.
     
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    Ordacleaphobia Shameless Contrarian

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    I'm just one guy, but I had no issue getting a response from Doug. I even told him that I likely couldn't afford his work up front. On top of being a nobody with no released work whatsoever, and a total stranger, I got a very cordial email excited about my interest in his work and a quote that, as expected, I couldn't afford.

    Honestly, I think anyone that follows the brand has a good enough understanding of the way it works by now; Doug builds sparingly, and if you want one, you need a combination of right place/right time and a well-fortified bank account.

    I totally agree with the sentiment of your post because I'm definitely one of those guys that doesn't have a major issue with copies, but I don't understand how that situation leads to you being upset with Doug. The guy isn't beholden to anybody; and was well within his rights to say no. I don't think he ever gave off the image that his brand was for 'the average joe' anyway. He just doesn't want to run that kind of operation, no matter how much we want him to.
     
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    Watty Naturally Cynical

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    I’m glad that you got a response from him; I did not receive one, despite a handful of polite emails over the course of a few years (i.e. nothing pushy or spammy).

    The main context for my post was the situation in the past (read: maybe 10 years ago) before he really blew up. Before he closed his books. Before auction builds and insane secondhand prices. I don’t disagree that now there’s a slightly more clear picture of what’s going on, but I don’t necessarily think that completely undermines my point.

    You’re correct, I’m not entitled to his time. I was expressing my frustration associated with the fact that he couldn’t be bothered to even set up an auto reply in his business email, that he ignored several polite inquiries about his work (when I had the funds available), and yet replied to the other luthier’s email within hours. He’s completely within his rights to do this, just as I’m completely within mine to be peeved about it. I was more stating that, in my ideal world, he would have issued a notice on his website to begin with that he was not building for the public per se and that emailing him was unlikely to get a reply.
     
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