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Discussion in 'General Music Discussion' started by Vyn, Sep 21, 2020.
Am yet to be able to verify this however looks like BRJ has passed away.
Man, crazy. Despite not being the most liked guy, seemed like a kind of tragic life and I'm sorry to hear of his passing. It's easy these days to overlook the amount of influence his shop had in shaping what's now a huge custom guitar market for ERGs and fancy wood shredders, especially on this forum. Some of these were really great:
There was a beautiful natural quilt to blackburst jekyll 6-string I used to gawk over all the time (like 12 years ago) but can't find any pics. If anyone thinks they know it, let me know!
We’ve got like 3 threads going on this. Maybe the mods can combine them.
Those look like Agiles
Or did he come up with it first?
I mean, I don't think at all that they're enough like Agiles to be talking about who came up with "the same thing" first. But if I did, then yes, I think he would have come up with it first? I feel like Agiles started popping up here more around 2012, which was probably close to peak BRJ.
A tragic end to a tragic story, I guess...
Sad ending to a troubled story. I love the guitars he put out and that’s often forgotten
This dude ripped off a bunch of people and they paid and never got their guitars.
This will never be forgotten by me or the people that he owes $ to.
The only reason I’m sad he died is because he died owing money to brothers of mine.
That may be true, and almost being on the side of several luthier cheat scandals myself, I sympathize. Being dead doesn’t excuse the bad deeds done in life, but his legacy will always be the black friday fiasco and the dozens of people scammed. Nothing’s changing that. But dying in your 40s (or early 50s?) is a tough break either way.
And at the same time, life’s not Disney — no one’s out there being pure evil. I think I'm pretty morally okay, but I'm sure I'm just one all-consuming drug habit away from doing some questionable shitty things too.
While the acceptability of the time and place is debatable, it's important to not revise history, which I'm seeing pop up in multiple places.
I already said this in one of the other threads: it's important to separate the person from the deeds and thus, no one deserves to die this young. RIP.
But a tragic end doesn't make the deeds less shitty. I agree though, this thread probably isn't the ideal place to dive into that.
Yea, like I'm not going to act like the authority on where to calibrate the right amount of praise and insult here. Just that I've seen (also in multiple places) this notion that saying something positive is somehow revisionist or glossing over all the shitty things they did.
Fact: BRJ built some fantastic guitars that were highly inspirational.
Fact: BRJ provided great customer service at times.
Fact: BRJ ran off with tens of thousands of dollars of guitar deposits.
Fact: BRJ was an ass to many people.
I don't think anyone's going to forget the latter things, as that is what he's become synonymous with here, for years. Rather, people are probably more at risk of forgetting he did anything right, and that some of those guitars were pretty cool!
EDIT: just saw Max’s post. I’ll edit this, you’re right man, not the time nor the place.
Yeah, I mean it’s still totally legitimate to be pissed off what he did. Death doesn’t excuse his sins. I think some people feel like his death means they can’t be mad still, and that’s totally not the case. As Max says, the deeds still stand.
When people's personal opinions immediately surface upon the news of someone's death, that sort of cancels out the often suggested payment of respect. I'm not defending the way that anyone lived their life but I don't wish to pass judgement either. No one truly knows what demons or issues might've been deeply seated within someone that has died and a moment of simple regard or civility shouldn't be so easily dismissed. One can certainly be angry yet humbly mindful of a life that was cut short and although that anger may be certainly justified, in most instances it should eventually fade.
The guy was a thief/scam artist, right? So fuck him in life as well as in death.
I wonder if trump or any of the other scumbag con artists in business, politics, or religion would get so much sympathy?
Maybe I'm just getting harsh in my old age, but to me this just means nobody else will get scammed and ripped off by brj. The man. I'm sure someone will buy the name and try to milk it. Or his family will.
And no, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to hear that someone bought the name with the intention of keeping that shitshow going posthumously.
I heard the estate is taking deposits on the use of the name.
Yeah... I get it. I knew that what I said would fall upon deaf ears. I understand that people don't want to exhibit any restrained civility and again... I don't defend his actions in the least. I really don't care one way or another.