Be careful with Steiner Kraus Guitars.

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  1. diagrammatiks

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    Maybe Holloway picked some bad examples.

    Ran seemed pretty sudden. And black water.
     
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    KnightBrolaire pet kitties, spend fiddies

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    blackwater was a long time coming. Aaron basically started dragging his feet on builds starting a few years ago
     
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    That's kind of the point. Even people you have confidence in can just vanish like a fart in the wind. Nothing is guaranteed, and it's likely not worth spending money on if you can't guarantee a delivery inside the charge-back window.
     
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    Yeah I think the hard pill for people to swallow is the idea that $2000 isn’t much in terms of “first world build quality and attention to detail”.

    Because that’s really what one is paying for.

    But they want a “custom” without the budget for it. People still get mad that it’s $1400 for “just an import” when they have Ibanez lifting Mayones paint jobs/tops/woods/specs wholesale for a fraction of the cost.

    Like, did you expect an MIJ mayones for $1400?
     
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    Or like if you’re buying something that isn’t from a store and can’t be returned.

    Don’t be spending money you can’t afford to lose.

    I mean it sucks. And you gotta warm people if shit happens. But I don’t think getting mad as ever gotten any a refund.

    Speaking of which...I’m hopefully about to get a guitar soon.
     
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    Could you go into more detail as how to exactly set this up? Can it be done through PayPal?
     
  7. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    They were bad examples, but it also shows that most of these situations could be seen coming in some way.

    Read the end of my comment again, it's about the odds.

    RAN was a very small operation in a faraway land (to most), that itself brings risk. Blackwater was a one-man operation, which also brings with it risk. He could get hit by a bus or suffer a stroke, or just decide building guitars isn't fun anymore.

    It's risk vs. reward. Every shop and situation brings with it different risks and it's up to the consumer to acknowledge that and choose whether it outweighs proceeding.
     
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    IbanezDaemon Raptus regaliter

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    Do any of these builders actually offer legally binding contracts? Given the length of time on some of these builds I'm not sure if you have a leg to stand on credit card or paypal wise. Even with a legally binding contract trying to take a builder to court is nigh on impossible...see BRJ debacle...even more so if you are overseas. OP...real sorry to hear you got burned. Hope it works out for You.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    It's not in the builder's favor to layout a detailed contract, so it's incredibly rare. Even the more well known boutique shops don't really offer something like that, though if they use a dealer as an intermediary it's a moot point as the dealer will rectify most problems.

    For example, Suhr and Anderson just make you sign a spec sheet and invoice, but those are mostly to cover them, so you can't say they built the wrong thing.
     
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    chipchappy thudmaster

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    I feel like every custom luthier's worst nightmare would be some piece of paper that reads "I said said I'd get this done by [X Date]" with their signature on it :lol:
     
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    Xaios Foolish Mortal Contributor

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    Time to revise the top-left square?

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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    I think it's time to go for a generic "failed builder" square, as it's looking pretty crowded. Also, no one knows who half those guys are anymore. :lol:

    I also formally request that "Golden Rep Bar" be replaced with "Fluences".
     
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    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    It baffles me BRJ can go to NAMM unmolested, to be perfectly honest. But then Ed Roman was in the business for decades so I guess the US market is pretty lenient.
     
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    Most who go to NAMM are vendors, retailers, popular and connected artists, and the representatives of such. The only thing making a scene will do is lose the belligerents money.

    Not to mention, just about everyone not connected to the heavily online guitar scene has no idea.

    There's also the "online tough guy" factor.

    The reason that builders tend to always get away with this is that, in real life, the victims fall into two primary categories: those whom want to seek justice but have no resources, and those whom have resources, but wish to move on. The rare few that want to seek justice and have the resources, tend to lose speed with our slow and ineffective legal system when it comes to goods in this price bracket.
     
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    Fred the Shred Shrederick

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    Spending time in prison (with the option of deportation in you're not American, of course) is not what I'd call "sure fire way to solve issues and get money back", to be honest. :lol:
     
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    Unrelated to the brand in OP, but same topic. I just saw a “guitar brand/page” on my Instagram explore page called 10s guitars say that shipments would be delayed by a month because “EMG’s were lost en route to us due to unforeseen circumstances.”

    Guess it’s just that time of year.
     
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    Yes, Big scam going on here guys.
     
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    Thank you for confirming all suspicions.
    Honest lad you are, and that does count for something
     
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    Lmao
     
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