Axe-FX ultra Compressor and gate tone help needed

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  1. Tom MAF

    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Hey guys I recently (Today) got an Axe-fx Ultra :D Yay! :hbang:
    It's very nice and all, went through about the first 200 presets for quite a while, but after that while was up I went on to making a custom tone :agreed:

    Before I begin I must admit I'm not really one of those 'tweakers', so this is a tad new to me, but obviously I know the basics.

    Also before the beginning but after before the beginning I must say I was going for the Classic bulb Djent tone found within this guitar edge mag vid, especially the part at 1min 50s with the start stoppy djent and the long sustaining chords. :agreed:



    (My layout goes Comp-gate-drive-amp-cab-eq)

    OK so I started with the amp model, chose the 'Recto New'
    Moved to the cab, the '4x12 German' which I have seen in many posts times before.
    Then I chose the T808 for a drive.
    After that I did a bit of generic Djent parametric EQing :lol:
    Once that was done I added a compressor then Gate, and here lies the problem...

    I can get quite a good start stoppy thing going on with my Djents, but then my chords sound really weak and decay really fast, basically no sustain :wallbash:

    Any Idea about how to not suck would be greatly appreciated :D
    And any ideas about tone in general would be AWESOME :bowdown:

    Thanks ever so much, I know allot of this message is a bit funnily worded, but I'm dyslexic so I have an excuse :p :cool:

    :wavey:
     
  2. Tom MAF

    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Erm... bump? :ugh:
     
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    Uncle Remus SS.org Regular

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    I can't be of much help at the moment as I got my standard recently too but I suggest reposting this on the fractal forums aswell if you haven't already :yesway:
     
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    Try switching the compressor and gate around so the gate comes before the compressor :yesway:.
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Oooo, really, I'll try that now (Y)

    Nice one! Thanks that's instantly Improved my tone tenfold (Y)

    Any other tone tips still appreciated :)
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Actually it still decays a little more than I'd like it to, especially on single notes. Almost never ending sustain would be nice :shred:
     
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    Well, Misha uses more than one gate so maybe you should try to do that too.
    Set the first gate so that it removes all unwanted noise, than a overdrive and and than another gate and try to get it to give you that instand stop.
    Also don't forgot that Misha has his compressor at the very beginning of his rig as the first thing that he goes into.
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Haha, ok well that's good to know (Y)
    But now I have strangely contradicting info about where to place the compressor :noplease:

    I'll have a piss about with it (Y)
     
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    For the basic setup it should be:
    input>comp>gate1>overdrive>gate2>amp....and on from there with effects of your choice and like.
     
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    ^ This :cool:
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    That's what I'm try atm, but I just doesn't seem to work half as well as it did with the gate before the compressor :S
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    I think I have come to the conclusion that to get that start stop thing going, you have to sacrifice quite a bit of sustain :'(
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    What kinda setting would you guys advise for the compressor and two gates?
     
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    Run the compressor first. The idea is that by flattening your signal, it "holds" the signal above the gate's threshold until you mute.
    For the compressor, the key is to set a low threshold, high ratio and long release on the compressor so your signal is very dynamically flat (don't go too crazy or you'll raise the noise floor massively, reducing the gate's effectiveness).
    Once you've done this, you have to find the sweet spot on the gate threshold where it works optimally with the compressor. A fast attack on the gate will help you get that very sharp cut-off when you mute.
     
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    Misha technically has three gates.

    Also whenever you move the gate or compressor around in the signal chain, you have to change their settings for optimal results. Since both of those effects act differently depending on the volume of the signal being fed into them AND they both change the volume of the signal coming out of them.
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Ok thanks for the advice, I'll get working on it now :yesway:
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    I've got a good start stoppy rhythm going but my singles, especially higher up the fret board are lasting about 6 secs tops :S
     
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    Tom MAF DoesIGotDjent?

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    Ok i've slowly been getting rid of stuff to work out this sustain problem and I've realized this is actually a problem with the guitar apparently :S

    The guitar is one I got today, it's a 1077 xl, and it's got pretty old strings on it atm.
    Do you think it's a baritone, guitar, rusty old strings issue, or something different?
     
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    rusty string most definitely. :lol:

    you put crap in, you are going to get crap out.
     
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    Here is my signal chain for the stuff in which you mention.

    Comp > Drive > FAS Modern > Cab

    For the the comp settings, use:

    Pedal type, then threshold at noon, attack at noon, release at 1'oclock and level at 1'oclock

    For the drive settings, use:

    Ts808mod, drive at 9'oclock, tone at noon, level and mix at max, and on the 3rd page, drop the bass by 2db and bump those highs up by 2db

    For the amp settings, use

    Less than noon drive, less than noon bass, mids between 9'oclock and 1'oclock, treb from noon to 2'oclock, pres from noon to 2:30'oclock, depth between 9:30 and 11'oclock, and drop the master down to around 9'oclock

    For the cab settings, use: (if you are not using the cab models, don't pay any mind to this)

    Cab 1 is Redwire's Bogner Uberkab v30 cap edge off axis sm57 0"
    Cab 2 is the stock Recto2 cab with level about 3db less than the cab 1.

    As far as getting the gate up to par, First, use the gate on the 3rd page of the layout page, then turn your volume all the way up on your guitar, then roll back your threshold till you hear silence, then go ahead and roll another 5db off. This is sufficient enough to get those start/stop riffs to clean up nicely and still yield good sustain. Really, the "extra" gate in the Ultra isn't needed. The Axe's main gate is at the input of the signal chain and since the Axe generates no extra noise of it's own, the extra gate is not needed. So if you are getting extra noise outside of the main gate, it something going on from your guitar cable back. This has been discussed a little by Cliff over on the Fractal Forum.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2010

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