Are thick strings the only way to not go sharp when picking?

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  1. 777

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    I noticed when I'm tuning my low B and E - it goes pretty sharp. I use 9-42 + 58 on my 25.5" hardtail Ibanez seven with locking tuners. I don't even pick that hard.....

    Its not too obvious on single note djenty riffs, but for power chords its making my ears hurt. Is the only solution thicker strings?

    I'm sure many of you have come across this before. Any tips?

    I heard NYXL strings were flavor of the month so I ordered a set of 9-46+60
     
  2. CM_X5

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    imo thicker strings and/or thinner picks seem to work just fine. Another thing to make sure is your string height or intonation isn't throwing out fretted notes
     
  3. budda

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    Goes sharp from what?
     
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    I use the NYXL1059 set on my hardtail 25.5" Ibanez in standard tuning and don't have any issues - Perhaps your intonation is off if single notes sound good but chords are gross?
     
  5. 777

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    Picking

    Intonation is ok, its just with single notes you dont notice the out of tune sound so much because youre not chording :)
     
  6. budda

    budda Do not criticize as this Contributor

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    Like it wavers sharp or you tune, play, check tuning and the strings are 10 cents higher in pitch?

    The latter sounds like a nut issue. Picking would make it go flat.
     
  7. bostjan

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    Stupid answer but if your picking techniques makes notes go sharp, the two obvious options are adjust string tension or adjust picking technique.


    @budda , if you press too hard with the pick, it can momentarily increase tension, making the attack sharper than the decay. A lot of early djent actually used this as a feature rather than a bug.
     
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  8. 777

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    The string stays in tune after being picked :)
    Yeah gona increase dat tension :)
     
  9. Lorcan Ward

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    1. Pick lighter
    2. Increase string gauge
    3. Lower action so fretting doesn’t make notes go sharp
    4. Get a guitar with a longer scale length so your string gauge of choice feel tighter
    5. Pick closer to the bridge
    6. Use a thinner plec
    7. Pick with an angled attack
    8. Get a compensated nut so sharp frets are less out of time to begin with(if the guitar is the problem)
    9. Make sure you aren’t bending notes when you fret
    10. Make sure pickups aren’t too close as that can pull strings out of tune
    11. Tune your string slightly flat so when you pick hard it will be in tune
     
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    Has this always been a problem? I ask because sometimes strings can be duds and have thin spot in them causing them to buzz or act unnatural. Maybe try a new string first.
     
  11. TheWarAgainstTime

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    All of these are great, but 5 and 7 especially helped me out several years ago when I was experimenting a lot with string gauges and picks :yesway:
     
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    Evertune if it bothers you.
     
  13. 777

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    Nah its just more noticeable since I started recording myself xD
    Great tips thanks Lorcan!
     
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    For the low e and b string I tend to tune them a little flat, just a few cents. It seems to sound much more in tune that way. I do this will all my guitars. Or tune to your picking style .. don't pick softly as you tune, pick how you normally would.. Of course you should intonate and set everything up first to make sure that isn't the problem either
     
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    Also intonate as closely as possible to your fretting style
     
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    It's kind of in the nature of the instrument to do that. These days I think people go a little overboard getting these things perfect. While it can be a problem that you want to minimize, I also think it can add some character and intensity because you can really hear the string being struck hard.
     
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    Simple answer: it sounds like a nut issue. Get a tech to do a proper set up on it with your preferred gauge.

    Out there answer: Last two guitars I had weird string issues with, got confused. Compared it to another guitar which was fine so sort of ruled out technique. Changed strings on that guitar as normal, noticed problems occurring. A week or so later, got some new strings from a known supplier, compared the packages with the ones I had previously bought from eBay. Long and short, packages from eBay did not look right at all! Definitely something not quite right with the EB logo and the paper the strings were packed in. Changed strings on all three guitars, no more problems. Can't say for sure if there is some thing about fake strings in the market, but alls I know is I'll just pay a little more for the right stuff from a proper shop that sells them rather than eBay.
     
  18. Lorcan Ward

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    No problem! Tuning stability while playing is something that just comes with experience. As long as their isn't a root cause because of the hardware then you have to work on your technique. Find a balance between string gauge and pick attack.

    Since you noticed it when you started recording its worth pointing out that lots of extended range metal bands will sample their low strings. So they tune it slightly off, hit it hard so its in tune and then copy paste as needed so its always in tune. You can get more extreme and tune every time you play a free or chord. Thats been popular for years in the recording industry to get guitars to sound much more in tune.
     
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    I was going to say that, did you check the intonation when moving to a 058 low B?
     
  20. 777

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    I re-strung it with some NYXL 9-46+60 today and the tuning seems a lot more stable. Cheers peeps!
     
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