Anyone here like/use vocal synth software?

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Vocal synthesis has definitely come a long way since Vocaloid in the last few years, especially with the new AI voice banks running on CeVIO and Synthesizer V. Was curious to see if anyone (aside from existing Hatsune Miku, etc. fans) has started using vocal synth software in their demos/finished works.

Here's a song I wrote featuring the soon-to-be-released Solaria running on Synth V, if anyone is interested:

https://soundcloud.com/dspear327/symphony-of-light
 

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That is amazing very life like. The closest I have come to using Voice synth is an app on my phone for a robot voice on one of my zany space tracks:rofl: I enjoyed your track. Is the track My Utopia using the same software? If so mind blown..
 
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I enjoyed your track. Is the track My Utopia using the same software? If so mind blown..

Thanks! Actually, on My Utopia, I worked with a singer who was doing commission work. I’d been using Vocaloid for the last few years and wanted to try working with an actual singer on an original song. Needless to say, It’s a LOT more challenging due to all of the dynamics involved.
 

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I've used The Mouth on Native Instruments but that was years ago and I never really got it down.
I looked into that as well and had similar results. I do like a lot of NI’s other sample libraries, though.
 

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I have the Arturia Vocoder that I helped beta test with them, but I haven’t found a use for it in my own recordings yet, but I do have some ideas about layering it with backing vocals.
 

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I play a half dozen instruments but can't sing that well so I've looked here and there for ways to sound better in recordings. I won't use Autotune or anything else with iLok.
 

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I play a half dozen instruments but can't sing that well so I've looked here and there for ways to sound better in recordings. I won't use Autotune or anything else with iLok.
Melodyne works extremely well for basic leveling and pitch correction; the version I use is integrated into Studio One. I've used it for vocals and got pretty good results.

I've also used it to fix bass guitar tracks where I applied too much pressure to certain fretted notes (and didn't want to bother re-recording). :D
 

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Melodyne works extremely well for basic leveling and pitch correction; the version I use is integrated into Studio One. I've used it for vocals and got pretty good results.

I've also used it to fix bass guitar tracks where I applied too much pressure to certain fretted notes (and didn't want to bother re-recording). :D
I've had Melodyne editor for years but have only used it to fix bad notes instead of doing a track over. I don't think I have the patience to manipulate an entire song with it.
 

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I've had Melodyne editor for years but have only used it to fix bad notes instead of doing a track over. I don't think I have the patience to manipulate an entire song with it.
Actually, I think the latest version has a Correct Pitch macro that will auto-adjust the entire track and align the notes to their closest pitch center...it works quite well as a starting point. In practice, I've found that notes that are 1-2 semitones off are virtually unnoticeable after pitch correction...whereas anything more than that it becomes obvious that it was "autotuned"...and you end up sounding like a Vocaloid. :p
 

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Actually, I think the latest version has a Correct Pitch macro that will auto-adjust the entire track and align the notes to their closest pitch center...it works quite well as a starting point. In practice, I've found that notes that are 1-2 semitones off are virtually unnoticeable after pitch correction...whereas anything more than that it becomes obvious that it was "autotuned"...and you end up sounding like a Vocaloid. :p
I've honestly not gotten any upgrades for it, they seem to charge a little much, but I'll look into the new version. A hardware device would be awesome, sort of like a TC Voice Live but much easier to program.
 

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Just a minor update...the song has been given a proper mix & master and is now available on digital download and streaming sites, if anyone is interested:

 

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This is really really cool. Sounds really good. Written in a pretty natural way too. What's the learning curve for programming the vocal lines? I imagine it's pretty involved and time consuming.
 

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This is really really cool. Sounds really good. Written in a pretty natural way too. What's the learning curve for programming the vocal lines? I imagine it's pretty involved and time consuming.
Thanks! The interface is actually pretty straightforward...you draw notes on a piano roll (similar to using most virtual instruments). The only difference is that you double-click the notes to add your song lyrics. From a technical standpoint, the software is easy to use.

The challenge, I think, is getting a more natural sounding flow to the vocal track...and that mostly just takes experimentation. In my case, I learned the most from doing various cover songs over the last few years and analyzing how singers actually "sing" (for example, how words are often sung differently than they are spoken). Also, I've found that it works best when you stick to simple one or two-syllable words when it comes to lyrics and minimize large pitch changes between words (example, going from a note to one an octave higher sounds too mechanical, but a smaller pitch change will sound better).

Here's some more information, if you're interested:

 

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Wow that's pretty awesome, I've never dabbled with vocal synths but it sounds to me like you have a pretty good hang on it making the inflections sound really natural.
 

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Just a minor update...the song has been given a proper mix & master and is now available on digital download and streaming sites, if anyone is interested:

Cool, I'm liking the cover art. I've been meaning to try making a song with Solaria, but I already bought another voicebank. I make music sometimes with the Eleanor Forte AI bank, and I've been liking how flexible it is with regards to pronunciation. Especially compared to the previous standard Lite version.

From your song and the Solaria demos, it seems like she'd be quite suited for the higher registers.

I'd like to use Vocaloid as well. Most of my favorite vocal synth musicians primarily use Vocaloid.
 

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Wow that's pretty awesome, I've never dabbled with vocal synths but it sounds to me like you have a pretty good hang on it making the inflections sound really natural.

Thanks! It's definitely taken a lot of trial and error over the years; you kinda learn to work with whatever the application is capable of.

Cool, I'm liking the cover art. I've been meaning to try making a song with Solaria, but I already bought another voicebank. I make music sometimes with the Eleanor Forte AI bank, and I've been liking how flexible it is with regards to pronunciation. Especially compared to the previous standard Lite version.

From your song and the Solaria demos, it seems like she'd be quite suited for the higher registers.

I'd like to use Vocaloid as well. Most of my favorite vocal synth musicians primarily use Vocaloid.

Thanks, I was a huge fan of anime series like Macross and Space Battleship Yamato while growing up; they were major influences on the cover art and song lyrics.

Yeah, when I first heard the demos for Solaria, I felt that her range would be well-suited for music in the style of Nightwish or Epica.

I still use Vocaloid on occasion; it's a good application despite starting to show its age a little. I will always have a soft spot for Hatsune Miku's V4X voicebank as that is what I originally started with.
 

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Hey man so this kind of sent me down a vocal synth wormhole, have you given Neutrino a try by chance? All the demos I found of it sounded eerily realistic!
 

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Hey man so this kind of sent me down a vocal synth wormhole, have you given Neutrino a try by chance? All the demos I found of it sounded eerily realistic!

I hadn't heard of Neutrino previously, but I'm impressed with what I've heard so far today; will definitely be keeping an eye on that one.
 

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I've been having tons of fun with Vocaloid 5, creating a fully digital black metal project a la Keygen Church with synth vocals is the new goal :p
 


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