Anyone actually nab a PS5?

[Ralyks]

I still always go to PS5. XSX I've only been playing Norco and Citizen Sleeper, and I only recently even touched my own Switch because I finally decided to buy Shin Megami Tensai V (although plenty of Mario Kart, Smash, and Mario Party at my friends house, but that's their Switch, not mine).
I even have Game Pass, and some games I really liked such as Tunic, Haven, and Death's Door, I end up just buying in PS5 when it gets a sale ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[StevenC]

Steven's a very loud very small minority on that one. I think it's great. I like the plot to the first and I love the gameplay on both of them. They're the best version of the Ubisoft formula IMO, besides maybe Ghost of Tsushima, another "bad" first party game.

I'm more surprised by him also declaring that other such widely beloved games as The Last of Us, Uncharted 2-4, Spider-Man, Shadow of the Colossus/Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Ghost of Tsushima, Until Dawn, and both God of War "reboots" are bad. I mean, I like Gravity Rush 1 and 2, but I wouldn't say they're so much better than all the others as to say they're the only good games to come out of Sony's exclusives.

When did I call any of those games bad?

You said Xbox hasn't made any good exclusives for 2 generations (that you like). I said the same is true of Sony (for me).

But also I'm right about Horizon being a piece of crap.

 

[narad]

When did I call any of those games bad?

You said Xbox hasn't made any good exclusives for 2 generations (that you like). I said the same is true of Sony (for me).

But also I'm right about Horizon being a piece of crap.

I think they were just saying that you are very loud, very small, and a minority.

 

[wankerness]

When did I call any of those games bad?

You said Xbox hasn't made any good exclusives for 2 generations (that you like). I said the same is true of Sony (for me).

But also I'm right about Horizon being a piece of crap.

You said none of them were good, twice (well, now three times). I guess interpreting none of them are good as all of them are bad might be a stretch. It does not necessarily mean you think they’re all bad, just mediocre!

 

[StevenC]

You said none of them were good, twice (well, now three times). I guess interpreting none of them are good as all of them are bad might be a stretch. It does not necessarily mean you think they’re all bad, just mediocre!

And you said all racing games and shooters suck.

 

[wankerness]

And you said all racing games and shooters suck.

No, the wording here is very different.

Here's me:

Xbox has a history going back two generations now of not putting much effort into making any decent exclusives (IMO, cause I don't give a shit about bro-tastic shooters or racing sims)

Note the "IMO" and the "because I don't like those particular genres."

Here's you:

Sony owned studios haven't made a good game since Jak and Daxter though. Or any before for that matter.

Note the "none of their games are good besides one." Later clarified to also include Gravity Rush.

I said I don't give a shit about the genres, I didn't say they're bad games. You said Sony's never made a good game besides Jak and Dexter, implying everything else is not good, and not in any way stating that this is just because you don't like the genres. That is all I was trying to get to the bottom of here. If you don't care about any of those games, that's totally fine! Since you have been so vociferous about how HZD is the worst game of all time, and I was like "wow, how can he think the same thing about such widely disparate, widely beloved games as he does with HZD?!"

I legitimately would like to hear why you don't like any of those. I find your HZD posts fascinating, since I can mostly agree with your criticisms yet end up with exactly the opposite opinion. I assume you haven't played most of them and don't have any interest, but it's even more interesting to me if you DID play them and hated them. What DO you like? Classic, kid-focused Nintendo style games? That's the only common thread I can think of between Gravity Rush and Jak and Dexter. I mean, I haven't played Jak and Dexter (but thought it was generally considered to be a superior successor to all those N64 platformers) and Gravity Rush I like (but hate all the awful side missions like "run away from crazy fans without getting touched or you fail!!"), but it's still interesting to me.

 

[StevenC]

No, the wording here is very different.

Here's me:



Note the "IMO" and the "because I don't like those particular genres."

Here's you:



Note the "none of their games are good besides one." Later clarified to also include Gravity Rush.

I said I don't give a shit about the genres, I didn't say they're bad games. You said Sony's never made a good game besides Jak and Dexter, implying everything else is not good, and not in any way stating that this is just because you don't like the genres. That is all I was trying to get to the bottom of here. If you don't care about any of those games, that's totally fine! Since you have been so vociferous about how HZD is the worst game of all time, and I was like "wow, how can he think the same thing about such widely disparate, widely beloved games as he does with HZD?!"

I legitimately would like to hear why you don't like any of those. I find your HZD posts fascinating, since I can mostly agree with your criticisms yet end up with exactly the opposite opinion. I assume you haven't played most of them and don't have any interest, but it's even more interesting to me if you DID play them and hated them. What DO you like? Classic, kid-focused Nintendo style games? That's the only common thread I can think of between Gravity Rush and Jak and Dexter. I mean, I haven't played Jak and Dexter (but thought it was generally considered to be a superior successor to all those N64 platformers) and Gravity Rush I like (but hate all the awful side missions like "run away from crazy fans without getting touched or you fail!!"), but it's still interesting to me.

Note to self: never make a small joke about personal taste to wankerness because they will not appreciate it.

 

[wankerness]

Note to self: never make a small joke about personal taste to wankerness because they will not appreciate it.

I’m just trying to up the engagement level here! I like hearing reasons for things much more than I like drive by thread crapping. Also it didn’t read as a joke considering I know you earnestly believe hzd is a terrible game. Ah well.

 

[StevenC]

I’m just trying to up the engagement level here! I like hearing reasons for things much more than I like drive by thread crapping. Also it didn’t read as a joke considering I know you earnestly believe hzd is a terrible game. Ah well.

Forgot about Team Ico being owned by Sony.

Yeah to be honest, I've played a lot of Sony games, and have all the big ones available to me.

I don't like Naughty Dog games outside of Jak and I never have. Crash Bandicoot is straight up a bad concept for a video game, it doesn't play well and isn't fun or comparable to its contemporaries. Uncharted, similarly, has a gameplay loop I don't enjoy. Same with what I've played of Last of Us. If a game is all its story, then I will watch a movie, thanks.

I fully believe Insomniac is just a bad developer. Didn't enjoy Ratchet and Clank, didn't enjoy Spider-Man, never enjoyed Spyro, Sunset Overdrive is terrible. Just a bunch of games that feel either clunky or disengaged.

I'm not accepting Demon's Souls or Bloodbourne as Sony made game, sorry.

Ghost of Tsushima doesn't interest me at all and everything I've seen of God of War bores me.

Haven't played GT7 yet, but never really enjoyed the other ones much.

Sont strives don't make games that are not my kind of games.

There have been good exclusives on PlayStation, Tekken and MGS for most of their runs for example. There just haven't been a lot of Sony first party games, ever, that I liked. And Xbox has them beat with Halo alone basically.

 

[CanserDYI]

Gran Turismo 4 was an absolute masterpiece. Haven't played one since though.

Not a fan of the Uncharted series and yeah, typically I'm out if a game is all story and no satisfying mechanics, but I really enjoyed LoU 1 and 2. I actually thought the balance of story and gameplay mechanics was quite, well, balanced.

 

[wankerness]

Forgot about Team Ico being owned by Sony.

Yeah to be honest, I've played a lot of Sony games, and have all the big ones available to me.

I don't like Naughty Dog games outside of Jak and I never have. Crash Bandicoot is straight up a bad concept for a video game, it doesn't play well and isn't fun or comparable to its contemporaries. Uncharted, similarly, has a gameplay loop I don't enjoy. Same with what I've played of Last of Us. If a game is all its story, then I will watch a movie, thanks.

I fully believe Insomniac is just a bad developer. Didn't enjoy Ratchet and Clank, didn't enjoy Spider-Man, never enjoyed Spyro, Sunset Overdrive is terrible. Just a bunch of games that feel either clunky or disengaged.

I'm not accepting Demon's Souls or Bloodbourne as Sony made game, sorry.

Ghost of Tsushima doesn't interest me at all and everything I've seen of God of War bores me.

Haven't played GT7 yet, but never really enjoyed the other ones much.

Sont strives don't make games that are not my kind of games.

There have been good exclusives on PlayStation, Tekken and MGS for most of their runs for example. There just haven't been a lot of Sony first party games, ever, that I liked. And Xbox has them beat with Halo alone basically.

I was running off the list on Wikipedia of “Sony produced games.” I don’t actually know what you’d qualify as first party. How are exclusive fromsoft games produced by Sony different than naughty dog games produced by Sony?

Fair enough on all that. I really like uncharted 1-4 and last of us 1/2 but that’s more for the story than the gameplay. Haven’t played much of anything else you’ve listed. I had crash bandicoot 2 for ps1 and hated it. I don’t like spider-man much either, even though everyone else does!

I do think god of war reboot is worth trying out, but eh if it’s not your kind of thing whatever.

 

[StevenC]

I was running off the list on Wikipedia of “Sony produced games.” I don’t actually know what you’d qualify as first party. How are exclusive fromsoft games produced by Sony different than naughty dog games produced by Sony?

Fair enough on all that. I really like uncharted 1-4 and last of us 1/2 but that’s more for the story than the gameplay. Haven’t played much of anything else you’ve listed. I had crash bandicoot 2 for ps1 and hated it. I don’t like spider-man much either, even though everyone else does!

I do think god of war reboot is worth trying out, but eh if it’s not your kind of thing whatever.

My definition of first party is made by a studio owned by Sony. They own Naughty Dog outright, but they don't own Fromsoft.

They may both make exclusives for one platform, but in the latter case the games would likely get made with our without Sony. See: Dark Souls and Eldin Ring.

 

[TedEH]

I had to google it, but apparently Sony owns some shares of Fromsoft, but not the majority. I have no idea if that counts as first party or not.

 

[wankerness]

I had to google it, but apparently Sony owns some shares of Fromsoft, but not the majority. I have no idea if that counts as first party or not.

Yeah, first party is confusing to define apparently. I guess exclusives is easier! Here’s the Wikipedia list I looked at earlier which was the first result for “first party Sony games” but has the stuff like bloodborne on it.

List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I did t realize those shitty heavy rain/beyond two souls games were “first party.” Yuck.

 

[StevenC]

Yeah, first party is confusing to define apparently. I guess exclusives is easier! Here’s the Wikipedia list I looked at earlier which was the first result for “first party Sony games” but has the stuff like bloodborne on it.

List of Sony Interactive Entertainment video games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I did t realize those shitty heavy rain/beyond two souls games were “first party.” Yuck.

That's a list of games published by Sony. By the same merit, Bayonetta 1 would be a first party Nintendo game despite coming out on PS3 and 360 years earlier.

Video game developer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This is a fairly reasonable explanation.

Basically, Naughty Dog is owned by Sony entirely and are a first party developer; From is not owned by Sony entirely but occasionally works in a second party capacity to make games like Bloodbourne exclusively for PlayStation; EA develops and produces games for lots of platforms as a third party with no involvement from Sony; From also works in this capacity on games like Dark Souls and Eldin Ring.

 

[pahulkster]

Crash Bandicoot 4 is extremely difficult if you're thinking of checking it out. No idea why or if the other games are like that. I grew up playing hard NES games and that is one of the hardest games I've ever played lol.

 

[TedEH]

I never took "published by" and "first party" to mean the same thing, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I always took "first party" to mean that you not just pubish, but also own the dev or IP.

shitty heavy rain/beyond two souls games

Lol I remember liking Heavy Rain, but I haven't played it in ages.

 

[wankerness]

I never took "published by" and "first party" to mean the same thing, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I always took "first party" to mean that you not just pubish, but also own the dev or IP.


Lol I remember liking Heavy Rain, but I haven't played it in ages.

I never did either, but then was thrown off by that being the first Google result for “first party Sony games!”

And I think Sony DOES own bluepoint? So now demons souls the remake is a Sony first party game, while the original was just an exclusive!! So confusing. I mean, I would still credit from software with that one instead of bluepoint, but terminology is weird.

 

[StevenC]

I never did either, but then was thrown off by that being the first Google result for “first party Sony games!”

And I think Sony DOES own bluepoint? So now demons souls the remake is a Sony first party game, while the original was just an exclusive!! So confusing. I mean, I would still credit from software with that one instead of bluepoint, but terminology is weird.

Yeah, plenty of times different studios will be tasked with doing a remake if the original developer is doing something new. Grezzo doing the 3DS Zeldas for example.

And if it's an external studio's game exclusively for your console, why not use ab internal developer?

 

[TedEH]

And if it's an external studio's game exclusively for your console, why not use ab internal developer?

Just because a game is exclusive doesn't mean the publisher has full control over an IP. Besides that, I can think of a bunch of reasons to let an external group work on something first-party. Maybe there's no available bandwidth available internally. Maybe the other studio pitched something and have some ownership over the idea. Maybe a particular team has a good track record for certain genres or systems and it isn't worth the change to risk breaking something that works well. But even when something is being done "internally", there's often a surprising amount of work being farmed out anyway. Audio, modelling, animation, some of the programming, etc - it all gets outsourced or contracted anyway.