Any love for Floyd Rose Bridges?

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Well, I mean, theoretically it *could*, but in practical application it doesn't make any difference. I have OFRs with 30 year old posts and knife edges with no issues, because you just don't move them that much. 100% of my OFR tuning issues over the years have been, in order:
1.) Fine tuner tension plates wearing out
2.) Top mount Floyd nuts moving
3.) Saddles seizing
 

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Well, I mean, theoretically it *could*, but in practical application it doesn't make any difference. I have OFRs with 30 year old posts and knife edges with no issues, because you just don't move them that much. 100% of my OFR tuning issues over the years have been, in order:
1.) Fine tuner tension plates wearing out
2.) Top mount Floyd nuts moving
3.) Saddles seizing
Well that´s what i said, it takes a couple of times till one realizes the damage. when you don´t move them much, you should be fine. i did in my beginners days and i ruined knife edges this way.
 

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I have a question: I bought a brand new OFR for a build. Is there a diagram of where the saddle blocks should be, general area before I fine tune the intonation? It came out of the box with all of the saddles in the same spot.
 

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I've always wondered about your name. It's a strange fetish. :lol:

Agree with both points.
It's just like trem picking, but with my tongue. Hummingbird like tongue maneuvers. Just thot it was a funny name
 

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and why would that be?
Because metal on metal friction is the same whether its rolling on the posts or sliding sideways. Too many examples of people not wasting time slacking strings and their trems are just fine. If you want to do it to make yourself feel better, that's fine... But the fact is you don't need to
 

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Because metal on metal friction is the same whether its rolling on the posts or sliding sideways.
it is not. Pressure and shear are two different things. But i won´t argue on this as i think we would be going in circles endlessly. You do you bro, or how do you guys say?
Too many examples of people not wasting time slacking strings and their trems are just fine. If you want to do it to make yourself feel better, that's fine... But the fact is you don't need to
again, matter of how often you do this. But yeah, makes me feel a hell lot a better after fucking up knife edges this way in the past.
 

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it is not. Pressure and shear are two different things. But i won´t argue on this as i think we would be going in circles endlessly. You do you bro, or how do you guys say?

again, matter of how often you do this. But yeah, makes me feel a hell lot a better after fucking up knife edges this way in the past.
The paint chipping on knife edges from normal use says differently. Also, paint chipping on a trem is not knife wear. People are overly cautious/scared of their guitar these days, so inaccurate comments like this need to be addressed... Not to mention it is a colossal waste of time
 

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Also, paint chipping on a trem is not knife wear
You don't say? Guess what, i can tell paint chipping from knife wear believe it or not. Paint chip does not cause runing instabilites when using the trem.
But curious were you red anything about paint chip in my comments.
But whatever. To each their own.
 

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Well, I mean, theoretically it *could*, but in practical application it doesn't make any difference. I have OFRs with 30 year old posts and knife edges with no issues, because you just don't move them that much. 100% of my OFR tuning issues over the years have been, in order:
1.) Fine tuner tension plates wearing out
2.) Top mount Floyd nuts moving
3.) Saddles seizing
What does saddle seizing mean?
 

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What does saddle seizing mean?
The pins in the saddles (where the hinge is for the fine tuners) either get gunked up or corrode and "stick" in position. This usually doesn't happen with the steel OFR saddles, but I have had issues with it on Schallers and the old Gotohs where the saddles are Zinc alloys.
 

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There was an interview/article in Dan Erlewine's "How to make your Electric Guitar Play Great" where Dan discusses tremolo stud adjustment under tension and as we stated earlier in the thread, it'd have to be a cheap (pot metal) tremolo or at least cheap studs/edges to actually cause significant damage - quality steel lasts. He was talking to a senior Ibanez personnel IIRC and they confirmed they adjust all of them under tension. No knife edge damage in any consistency.

Can't imagine how you could do that to an OFR or Gotoh/Edge.
 

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You'd think for this being a Floyd rose love thread we'd be hearing from all those Tone Stone lovers.

Nah they're probably too busy playing their guitars.
 

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So what is that pad material that some guitars have glued to the body in the floyd rose route? I need to get some of it.
 

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Has anyone used the FU-tone light tension springs? I’ve mentioned a few times that I like the feel of kahlers more since they are very smooth/light tension, so I bought these springs to see how light a Floyd can get.

Only problem is my only Floyd guitar is a 7 string, and considering at guitar center I played a few 6 string floyds and they were softer than my 7 string with the springs it seems like I will not be able to tell without putting them on a 6.
 

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Has anyone used the FU-tone light tension springs? I’ve mentioned a few times that I like the feel of kahlers more since they are very smooth/light tension, so I bought these springs to see how light a Floyd can get.

Only problem is my only Floyd guitar is a 7 string, and considering at guitar center I played a few 6 string floyds and they were softer than my 7 string with the springs it seems like I will not be able to tell without putting them on a 6.
You'd likely need 5 and still have the claw screwed in all the way. Depending on the string gauge you're using, that still might not even be enough tension to balance the strings.

I have 3 of their black (medium tension) springs on a 6 string tuned to D standard with 9-46 strings, so very light string tension, and the claw is still screwed in almost all the way.
 

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You'd likely need 5 and still have the claw screwed in all the way. Depending on the string gauge you're using, that still might not even be enough tension to balance the strings.

I have 3 of their black (medium tension) springs on a 6 string tuned to D standard with 9-46 strings, so very light string tension, and the claw is still screwed in almost all the way.
thanks! So I guess my question is, if there always needs to be a balance with tension of the springs vs strings, assuming a person uses regular gauges of strings and standard tuning (like myself) are different tension springs basically non-applicable? The feel will be 90% or more just because of how many springs one needs to use and/or how much the claw needs screwed in?
 

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mini bump to just mention that Guitar Center Manhattan, besides being a horrible stereotype of shitty players BLASTING amps, has a used Ibanez with the Edge ZR tremolo.

I actually really liked it! Very smooth like a Kahler (not quite as smooth I'd say) but has the double locking advantage. It's too bad ball/needle bearing FR types don't really exist in terms of new models, other than Vigier but Patrice is retiring so that leaves no one else.
 


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