Any Brits here?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by hairychris, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Andromalia

    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    If I can't have a decent conversation, I'm out of here.

    Who the hell actually believed that, seriously. Stupidity isn't an excuse.
     
  2. Drew

    Drew Forum MVP

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    Are you familiar with the 21st Amendment, here in the United States? Here it is in its entirety:
    The 18th Amendment had been passed by Congress in 1919. The 21st was passed in 1933, 14 years later, and did no more than reverse the 18th. Why? Because in 14 years, a majority of people had decided the 18th was a mistake.

    Really, the fact there IS a process for passing amendments or creating laws, in the first place, codifies the belief into a government (the US, the UK, whichever) that people CAN change their minds, and that even when a government code of law is initially crafted, the government should be free to revisit those earliest votes and change its mind. This isn't a radical point of view.

    If a second referendum on Brexit happens, and the UK opts to remain, that's because a majority of Brits believe the UK should be part of the EU, and under the principle of democratic rule, the majority prevails.

    You're free to disagree. Just know that when you do, professional economists - the people who study how economies behave - are virtually unanimous in thinking that you're wrong. A little out of date, but the IMF's analysis as of last summer:

    https://blogs.imf.org/2018/08/10/the-long-term-impact-of-brexit-on-the-european-union/

    Not the article I was thinking of, though I suspect the one I was thinking of is behind a paywall and not something I can find on google or even really share, for that matter.
     
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    r33per SS.org Regular

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    Well... that was some exit poll. We'll see what the morning brings.
    :poop:
     
  4. Vyn

    Vyn Not a Sparkly Vampire

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    Fucking hell that came out of nowhere. Although given how unpopular Jeremy is, it's not that surprising.
     
  5. thraxil

    thraxil cylon

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    Bloody hell.

    What do you think? We're out of the EU by end of January if not earlier. Scotland and NI will both have first steps towards leaving the UK by the end of 2020.
     
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    ImNotAhab ChronicUnderachiever

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    I hope England can engage in good relations with both the EU as a whole as well the as the United Republican Union of Ireland, Scotland and maybe some of Wales.*


    *Working Title
     
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    StevenC SS.org Regular

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    Uh, screw Wales. Thwy consistently make the wrong decisions. Almost as bad as England and Ireland. Maybe we should just let the Scots be in charge of everything.
     
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    r33per SS.org Regular

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    1. Is Thwy a Welsh word? :nlb:

    2. Us Scots have never ever screwed up anything, so this is a great idea.
     
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    StevenC SS.org Regular

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    1. It is impossible to confirm or deny this.

    2. It is impossible to confirm or deny this.
     
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    Edika SS.org Regular

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    Unless someone tampered with the election results, I swear the collective IQ of people is dropping significantly. What else would you call a overwhelming majority from the party that brought the UK it is now in the last 9-10 years and has managed to make shit show of Brexit in the last three years.

    I know that there are a lot of people that didn't want this but will be affected by this shitstorm but I think the majority needs a really really stiff lesson to get it through tehir thick Australopithicus skulls what the repercussions of voting for a hot air balloon and his millionaire/billionaire cronies is going to do to their everyday lives.

    If people can't tell fact from fiction that's their problem not mine. I'm not a Corbyn fan or a Labour fan as I find them like every center party, just a bit better on some issues than the center right (usually supported by the far right in crucial moments). But compared to the Torries their policies are fucking stellar. And the god damn BBC wants a license paid to support Tories these one sidedly? No no no...

    Well I'm done, I've already sent my first job application in another country and more will follow this weekend. I'm sorry but this doesn't really concern me anymore. Hopefully N.Ireland and Scotland will manage to cut off the ass cancer that Britain is.
     
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  11. StevenC

    StevenC SS.org Regular

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    To be fair, more people voted for remain/second referendum parties than breakfast parties, so there's that issue as well.

    Not that there aren't a bunch of people in England and Wales voting against their best interests, there's just a massive issue with First Past the Post being used to represent such things as a mandate to make breakfast.
     
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    mojo sent
     
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    ImNotAhab ChronicUnderachiever

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    There was a Nationalist majority voted in the North for the first time. Hopefully that might in some way help get the Stormont Assembly back up and running.
     
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    Edika SS.org Regular

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    My post was quite aggressive and it's usually not the way I communicate. Now that I'm a lot calmer I'd like to apologise if I was too rude to some people. Not the ones voting for Tories though :D.

    It's the same old routine, the center left parties were scattered left and right while the Tories pulled in all the extreme right wing factions. That's the case in most countries though. That's what happened to my country in the summer general election and the new/old right wing government absorbed all the extreme right wing fanatics.

    Regardless of the voting majority going for pro remain parties that would have worked if the Tories didn't achieve more than 40 seats to have a government without any coalition.

    I heard several times the argument aboit Corbyn being unlikeable, about antisemitism (I didn't know criticising Israel for it's handling of Palestine made you antisemitic) but nothing about his policies.
    While Johnson, a proven racist and bigot, just sailed through with his bumbling buffoon routine. Don't get me wrong, I believe Johnson is really intelligent and in no way the British Trump. But he's just an immoral ghoul with the integrity and tenacity of a wet napkin. Corbyn might be so but there's no actual evidence he actually is.

    Whoever thought Gebelian propaganda is dead is dead wrong. I was speaking with my wife and she told me that in the US they're focusing on Elizabeth Warren having $2mil dollars in savings workimg as an attorney for 30 years. It's a lot of money for simple folk but is it comparable to the multimillion and billions of dollars most prominent politicians running for US office have from shady deals? Does it require a lot of brain power to see who the current president is and that Bloomberg is running also? FFS.
     
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    Chiba666 SS.org Regular

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    Bloody election that’s all I Will say on that. The anything thing for me was that my postal vote didn’t arrive in time so didn’t have chance to cast my vote, not that it would make a difference as my constituency is massive Tory and will always be Tory due to King Arthur was getting my vote, yes he does stand in elections, I will say one thing though there would have been a large chance I would vote labour as I don’t believe leaving the EU is a good idea but the idea of voting for Corbyn was never going to be an option or letting the Diane Abbot into a sitting Government also was not something I would want to happen
     
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    I dont get this.

    Yeah Dianne abbot is most likely an idiot but the default vote to keep her out of the government should not be:

    Fuck the old
    Fuck the poor
    Fuck the mentally ill
    Fuck public services
    Fuck the homeless
    Me first and fuck everyone else

    Because the torys have proven over the last 9 years that, that is there agenda. I really hope they prove me wrong but I dont think they will. Why would they? They have just had it affirmed that they can literally do whatever they like at the expense of anyone and they will not only get re-elected but with a strengthened majority.

    So these absolute scumbags get votes over a well meaning idiot? I dont get it.
     
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    Chiba666 SS.org Regular

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    A labour win would have been great for me on a personal level, nice pay rise, 4 day working week and all of the rest of Corbyns socialist dreams. On the down side working in defence would have probably gone against me and my current work location may well have had to change.

    aside from that his history of supporting terrorists rubs me up the wrong way as well as where the money would have come from. All those he would tax the most would leave and take their cash with them.

    neither of the main parties would have got my vote as neither were great for me or my family.
     
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    Tomorrow is the big day you crazy cats. God Speed.
     
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    Looking forward to the huge 350 million a week cash injection for the NHS that will clearly start on Monday.

    Right, Boris?

    Right?
     
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    No no no. You've got it all wrong. This is only the start of the transition period. The 350 million won't start until January 1st 2020.
     
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