Another mass shooting in America

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Has no one explained to you the other side of the coin?

If everyone eligible by law carried a legal and licensed firearm, then each time a tragedy like this occurred there would be an armed response on scene to deal with it, and hopefully defuse the situation.

Taking guns away from legal civilian owners would mean only psychopaths and the criminally intent would have (illegal) access to firearms, as it is in the UK, where most firearms are illegal.

I was recently reading a notice from a Illinois ammunition suppliers, specialising in NATO calibers. "Sold out for foreseeable future, accepting back orders for when supply returns."

It seems election time is when people stock up on ammo. :scratch:
 

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If everyone eligible by law carried a legal and licensed firearm, then each time a tragedy like this occurred there would be an armed response on scene to deal with it, and hopefully defuse the situation.

That's crap. A concerned citizen shooting/killing somebody after they've shot and killed other people is moot. If nobody had the guns in the first place, nobody would have been shot/killed. If the point is to save lives, arming everyone is the worst possible idea anyone could conceive.
 

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That's crap. A concerned citizen shooting/killing somebody after they've shot and killed other people is moot. If nobody had the guns in the first place, nobody would have been shot/killed. If the point is to save lives, arming everyone is the worst possible idea anyone could conceive.


You don't want the Wild West all over again? How unconstitutional of you.
 

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The only thing is criminals who want to do this won't obey stricter gun laws. If they want an automatic then by all means they'll find a way to illegally own one. Stricter gun laws however, may make those weapons harder to get.

Also, I could lay a gun on a table and it not kill anyone. May freak people out but that gun won't kill anyone until someone picks it up and shoots it.

Now, I believe the only people who should carry heavy artillery such as an automatic should be military and police forces. What is someone going to do with an automatic put 16 bullets in a deer? I see no civilian need/ use for an automatic. They're designed not just to kill, but kill numerous people in a short period of time.
 

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Sorry but it is pretty sad that a bunch of children get murdered by two adults and the first issue that comes to mind is American gun control.

There's obviously a greater fucking issue when people are mass murdering children regardless of the tool/weapon.
 

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All I am going to say is that my heart goes out to the families and victims of this tragedy.

There is a lot more I could say about the whole situation but it is not the time, nor is this the place to discuss it. Right now we should be focusing on the victims and families before we get into yet ANOTHER bullshit pro/anti gun control rant.

Some people need to get off their high horse.
 

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Sorry but it is pretty sad that a bunch of children get murdered by two adults and the first issue that comes to mind is American gun control.

There's obviously a greater fucking issue when people are mass murdering children regardless of the tool/weapon.

Agree 100%

I cannot believe that when CHILDREN were lost for no reason everyone wants to talk about gun control no matter your argument...
 
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Yeah, people suck. This makes me sick.

First the Mall shooting earlier this week, and now this.


Holidays are forever ruined for many families. Screw people.
 

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It's completely related. We can't have an honest discussion about the shooting without discussing the cause. Giving lip service to how sorry we feel (or don't feel) is pretty irrelevant.
 

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So if an old folks home got shot up, would it be ok to talk about gun control then?
 

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As I've said before... if the issue is crazy people killing people... what's an easier solution, gun control or profiling ever single person in the entire United States...?

Yes, every time a shooting happens, people go to gun control. Likewise, conservatives go to 'it's not guns, it's a deeper problem with people'. Yet literally no actual advised solution?
 

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I saw a great picture the other day. I should have saved it so I could post it here. It said something along the lines of "Oh, you wanna make guns illegal? Oh well lets make heroin and meth illegal too and see if that works." pretty funny, I thought

Oh and I saw another one that said if guns kill people, How come no one ever dies at a gun show. haha
 

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Has no one explained to you the other side of the coin?

If everyone eligible by law carried a legal and licensed firearm, then each time a tragedy like this occurred there would be an armed response on scene to deal with it, and hopefully defuse the situation.

Taking guns away from legal civilian owners would mean only psychopaths and the criminally intent would have (illegal) access to firearms, as it is in the UK, where most firearms are illegal.

I was recently reading a notice from a Illinois ammunition suppliers, specialising in NATO calibers. "Sold out for foreseeable future, accepting back orders for when supply returns."

It seems election time is when people stock up on ammo. :scratch:

Hi Ryan, thanks for your response. I have considered the other side of the coin, the argument is that nutters with guns open fire and kill people, and it's solved by more guns, but that involves a lot of people dying in the first place. How successful was the armed response here? Is this incident a success in terms of armed response, with those children dead? Should teachers have access to guns? What for safety in terms of children getting hold of them then? The problem seems to be all the guns.

If no-one had a gun the nutter wouldn't be firing in the first place. Check out British gun control and how many gun crimes there are. You've gotta think *What kind of country would we want to be* and start working towards that, somehow, no matter how small the first steps.
 

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I saw a great picture the other day. I should have saved it so I could post it here. It said something along the lines of "Oh, you wanna make guns illegal? Oh well lets make heroin and meth illegal too and see if that works." pretty funny, I thought

Oh and I saw another one that said if guns kill people, How come no one ever dies at a gun show. haha

Hahah wow so funny! I've never heard any of that before!

Ever.
 

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Here's the other thing. Background checks may help but nothing is going to prevent these tragedies from happening. You can have a clean record and still plan to shoot up a school or hospital.
 


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