Am I getting along with my neck?

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  1. bpprox22

    bpprox22 String Breaker

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    I have been spending most of my free time trying to play more guitar. I have a RG752FX that's been getting most of my attention and have noticed a weird ache after playing a while (especially when stretching my fingers for that wide intervallic goodness).

    The pain is in my left palm, close to the base of my thumb (see picture)

    I'm wondering if this pain is due to the increase of playing (i.e. working my hand a lot more and haven't built the endurance up yet) or the neck is too thin? I'll be trying other guitars to see if I can come up with the same result but wondered if anyone else has had this problem?

    Thanks :wavey:

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    Rachmaninoff Amateur porn actor

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    Did you do stretch exercises before, during and after playing?

    If you play a lot, it's muscular stress on arm and hand muscles, just like swimming does to your shoulders. Proper stretch is highly recommended. If the pain refuses to go away, go see a doctor as soon as possible, don't let it get worse.
     
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    I try to remember to stretch but sometimes I do just pick it up and start hammering away which could honestly be the issue here.
     
  4. MetalHead40

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    Do you have another non-wizard neck guitar? Put the Ibby to rest for a while and play a different guitar and see if your issue persists. Just a thought.

    Did you change string gauge prior to the hand issue starting?
    I started having some hand issues when I switched from .010--.052 to .013--.056 strings.
     
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    bpprox22 String Breaker

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    I have an LTD EC-1000 and am going to start playing that for a while and see. I know some people just don't get along with wizard necks and maybe I am one of them -- we'll see how my testing goes.

    Also, I've been playing heavier strings for a while so it's probably not that.
     
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    On my Ibby S - it's a Wizard neck of some kind, full bar chords held for a long will cause me some similar pain - which seems to come from putting too much pressure on the thumb to hold everything solid. Doesn't happen super often, but it can happen. I have a strat, so a very different shaped neck, that's much easier to do these bars on painlessly, I'm guessing because the pressure is distributed in a different way.

    My acoustic also does this pain thing, but it's because the heavier strings and higher action require a lot more pressure to hold everything down. Maybe you can alleviate the extra stress with setup adjustments?
     
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    YES! The chords (esp. stretchy ones), if held too long, do the same thing. I try to keep my thumb more towards the middle fingers to help level out the stress and that seems to help.

    Also, I have the same issue with my acoustic.

    As far as the setup goes, I may try to tweak it a bit but everything seems to be dead nuts where I like it. :ugh:
     
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    I had a similar discomfort as you, and I had the same issues as a TedEH mentioned. I found barre chords would really make that soreness come on quick, when I owned a Ibanez UV70P. I found it pretty much only on that guitar. I found a Sterling JP70 which was about as thin but bit more rounder and less flat and that seemed to help a lot.
     
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    I get this pain on all of my guitars, but only when playing extended passages of big chords. I honestly feel like I need a thinner neck to solve this problem which is crazy, as I plays an ibanez and a schecter banshee.
     
  10. feraledge

    feraledge Heard the Good News about Maple Fretboards?

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    This is a fairly common complaint with Ibanez and very thin, flat necks. I thought I was having some hand issues which made me think thinner necks would help. They didn't. So I went into Ibanez mode for a bit and ended up leaving quicker than I got there. Some awesome guitars, but that neck profile isn't for everyone.
     
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    same problem here. Ibanez lover, pain in the fretting hand when playing for long time (specially with chords). Sold the guitars, started playing a classical nylon string, and the stupid fat neck was confortable as hell. Now I got a strat style guitar and can play without any pain. Since I got small hands, I was fooled by the "slim necks are better" :lol:
     
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    I get the same thing playing chords even on a strandberg neck. I think it's just due to certain chord shapes like barres or such.
     
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    I don't play my prestige ibanez any (and will have to sell it) because it's just so thin. My ESP is almost as thing but rounder and doesn't cause any discomfort, and my JP is fantastic even after hours. However, stretching prior makes a huge difference. It honestly surprising the stretch is the difference between practicing for an hour and having to stop 20 minutes in. $0.02. Hope you figure it out, and yeah don't practice if it continues to hurt.
     
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    Interesting, I haven't had any issues like this with my strandberg. Any chords with big stretches on a wizard neck make my left hand cramp up really bad though. I figured the chunkier necks on strandbergs were a fairly universal fix.
     
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    feraledge Heard the Good News about Maple Fretboards?

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    I think it has to do, with me at least, with roundness vs flatness. I don't do well with Ibanez over long periods nor a Jackson SL1. The SL1 was at times the best guitar I'd ever played and other times like my fretting hand just hated it, super uncomfortable. But that has a meaty D shape. I actually prefer thinner to medium necks, but my only real qualifier for a neck I love the most is roundness. That's what keeps my hand from hurting.
    The Endurneck may be ergonomic and "correct" but it also is about keeping your thumb in that flat spot, so it could cause the same issue if you have the same problem. It's one reason I haven't been interested in it. I tend to move my thumb around a lot (which I really only noticed recently) and I think that's why a round neck works better for me and it might also be enough variation that I'm not wearing my hand out on any one position for too long.
     
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    The endurneck is the least comfortable of all my necks. It's the only one I get hand pain on. I don't get it on my 6 strings or my other 8 strings, just the strandberg with the endurneck. I think the D shaped neck on my vaders are more comfortable personally.The endurneck helps people who don't typically play "classical" style with their thumb always on the midline of the neck (or as much as possible), which is yet another reason I get no benefit from it, since that's how I play. I've got pretty large hands so most necks feel tiny in my hands, the strandberg doesn't but it just isn't that comfortable for me.
     
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    Do you unknowingly have a death grip?
    Play something for a few minutes and then think about it.
     
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    Is it possible you are playing too much? I started lessons a month again and told my instructor that I would get sore fingers and my hand would start locking up a bit, and then when I told him I'd been practicing 40 minutes to an hour at a time, he told me I needed to only practice about 25 minutes at a time.

    I think the next will have something to do with it, but technique and strain will probably be a bigger reason you're experiencing pain. So if you are playing for a long time, cut your play time down to smaller bursts, and maybe your muscles will get used to it and you can build stamina.
     
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    Not sure if you're playing sitting down or standing up, but adjusting your strap/where the guitar is sitting on you may also help. The more strings a guitar has, the higher up the guitar tends to go for me.

    Where the guitar sits on your body is going to change your hand and wrist position and affect the angles at which your hand has to sit to apply pressure. If you're arcing your wrist too much while applying pressure, attempting to reach all of the positions on the board, that'll cause some discomfort.

    Comfort over cool. Look at guys like Javier Reyes or Jason Richardson. They pretty much play with the guitar at their throats lol.
     
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    It could be the neck. I don't find my s or r very comfortable to play on for a long period of time.
    some of that can be adjusted out by shifting how you play though.
     

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