Right, because I have a lot of knowledge and you made an ignorant, bigoted statement. I asked you 20 different questions and rather than answering any of them you just went on about "cheating". You had nothing to say about women or cancer and AIDS patients, or people on TRT. So I guess they're still all "juicers" to you. Just a bunch of cheaters trying to not have kids and 'cheat' death. You do realize 90% of AS users are not professional athletes right? and neither are you. So lol @ talking about the tour de france as if it has anything to do with this discussion. I'm really curious to know how you define "cheating" when there's not even a competition? Everyone's T levels are different. If someone has lower T levels than someone else is that fair? Or is it fair for the person with lower T levels to supplement that low T to bring it up to 'normal' levels and be on par with the other person? There are hundreds of thousands of people on TRT for life. Not just older guys either. Some of them taking GH too. Where are they on your list when they're just trying to 'even things out'. ...is that cheating? I said your body produces creatine and testosterone. I didn't ask if you ate food. Your comparison was absolutely ridiculous. Your body produces both and your response to this was 'lol, derp, you can't eat testosterone'. Does your body produce steak or chicken? Because if it doesn't I don't know why you're bringing it up. We're talking about body systems and what the body does naturally. We're not talking about what you eat.