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A lot of "liberals" do see it differently. What used to be the camp of at least some logic and humility and self-reflexion is now almost just as tribal and intolerant as the right wing. Not that there has been anything close to a true "left" in the US in the last couple of decades, but hyper...

Nobody with a brain pretended "we are certain that it was a lab leak" or "we know for sure it was a bioweapon", so you are trying very hard to disprove something that nobody said. Just like you are trying very hard to ridicule people for not agreeing with you. But the funniest part if that you...

Yep- It's impossible to have a real discussion in the face of such hypocrisy.

Which is hilarious because here we see people knee-jerking wrt to anyone having a different opinion being a dumb conspirationist republican redneck stupid enough to believe the FBI... Yet, do you guys remember how often the prior presidential admin and their far right clique were attacking the...

You did not wait for facts to become sure about the animal leak, and now that multiple agencies are saying it's the most likely case, still think your belief of natural occurrence is more valid. And you still make fun of people who are skeptical of that. A conspiracy which you brought up now...

To be entirely fair, it's true you did not literally say "let's not talk about it at all". You said let's talk about it only to mock those dumpublicans who believe it, or let's keep it as a third page news years later because you don't personally believe it to be likely. A bit different, true...

Reading comprehension seems hard.... The above simply means that you cannot be open to learning new things and you cannot be "evidence-based" if you call everything you have already decided against by derogatory terms without even checking anything out because of your own bias. If that's sadly...

Oh, right.... decrying "faith-based conspiracy style thought patterns" is typical "open mindedly updating our beliefs cautiously as some additional information emerges" :lol: lmao the hypocrisy But hey, hats off to you for trying to bring in yet again absolutely unrelated tangents like...

Nope, that's just made up. Nobody here in those last few pages brought up a single controversy. Just like nobody wanted to convict anyone without evidence no matter how many times you try to pretend otherwise without reason. Just a simple "it was worth looking into, it was suspect how it was...

Ah whoops you're right. Those Enron folks look like decent folks, and many executives are not outright criminals, so let's not look into it. The city of NY said the first responders were safe and didn't breathe anything wrong, so why should we look into elevated cancer rates and try to find a...

This is the most surprising to me. Vitriolic knee-jerk reactions, and the incapacity to discuss or move even an inch from the one and only narrative. Even years later. And that's just for Covid somehow. On any other topic, even without being cynical, most people would be able keep some level...

Oh right, you did not say "it's not possible", you just said it's part of a "faith-based conspiracy style thought patterns". Yet, you have provided pretty much 0 argument to say that the animal source should be the sole hypothesis that is talked about. "Virus are created everyday in the wild" >...

What?!? This is such a non-argument... Those labs create new strains of virus everyday too. It's literally their job. Nature no longer has the monopoly of creating new mutations accidentally. There are tons of lab created virus strains, and specifically tons of lab created Covid strains created...

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure either way- just a bit appalled that the people calling for looking into it were censored and punished for so long for the wrong reasons; now to see it as second page news 3 years later when everyone has moved on. You on the other end seem convinced that...

Of course the reason is obvious, and of course the reason is accountability :lol: But this is what makes it worse. Saying that there is a valid hypothesis worth looking into is not calling to put random people in jail or other arbitrary punishments. It is just searching for the truth. Whereas...

Everyone has "low confidence" except some who have "moderate confidence" is a bit of a disingenuous way to put it, to say the least. And as usual, this fails to acknowledge that the animal hypothesis (the only one we were allowed to talk about) does not have any higher confidence. Which most...

Here we go again. Mixing it up with things that nobody said in order to discredit the whole thing. Nobody spoke of wet markets perceptions or intentional act of warfare here. Nobody tried to talk about people's age or party bias. Yet we have to raise those in order to muddy the waters. None of...

The FBI agrees in its own recent reports btw, and with higher confidence. A lab which was specifically conducting COVID experiments, and specifically with partial US funding btw. For the last two years, even suggesting that such a thing should be looked into would have meant you'd be called a...

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