You know what's really really frustrating?

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  1. distressed_romeo

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    Attempting to play Bach's keyboard music on classical guitar. You have to transpose the bass parts up or down an octave a lot of the time, which usually ruins the contrapuntal feel, and on top of that I keep running out of notes within a practical finger-span.

    The wierd part is, I can see exactly how a lot of this stuff would be more manageable if my guitar had a high A string on top...:idea: I need an 8 string, like Paul Gailbraith plays...
     
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    You know what's really really frustrating?
    Attempting to play Bach's keyboard music on classical guitar. You have to transpose


    You wanna know what's really really hard?

    Transposing music.

    **Reading music.

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    Yeah, I think an 8 string is the best for the classical range. Plus I always had this crazy idea that if you turn up your distortion really high, then plug a piano or something filter on it, you could two-hand tap (Broderick style) and get an awesome thing going.
     
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    I've tried to read sheet. I was OK for a little while.
     
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    I can read it, I just can't translate notes into guitar frets.
     
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    Listen to the song halaekala. There you got an good example of playing two hand taping with something in the same range as a piano.
    Also take a look in the extended range forum, I think I posted some videos of guys doing exactly what your talking about.
     
  7. Desecrated

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    Order a high a string and see if you like it.

    I think for bach a tuning like adding a high G would almost be better, for a 7-string it would then be EADGBEG. Cause then you would have a third instead of a 4th on your highest string and that should make the counterpoint more accessible.
     
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    There are a lot of Baroque pieces in general that would be a hell of a lot easier with a high A. I can't think of a time I've needed to go lower than a low A (55 Hz), but I find plenty of opprotunities to grab a higher string (A 440 Hz). This includes any newer Baroque-ish stuff originally written for keyboard.

    I think a lot of classical players would agree that a high A string would be the most logical addition to the standard-tuned seven string. :agreed:
     
  9. Desecrated

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    I think so to :agreed: ,
    But since I actually have one, I can say that tuning the last string to a third gives you better fingering when playing 4 voice counterpoint. BUT that might just be my opinion. :shrug:
    I'm sure that we can find a dozen of players who already tune to high A and get great result with them. But if you browse this forum as much as I do, you know that distressed is the master of odd tuning and I just wanted to suggest a fun/easy way of doing things. :)

    But the easiest thing is of course to get a high A string and then try out both thing. :idea:

    Bostjan
    Have you tried a high A string ? I would really appreciate your opinion of one.
     
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    Now I got gassin' for the Ibanez 8.
     
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    Hmmmm...the high G idea's an interesting one. Really wish I had my seven with my now just to do some experimenting...
     
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    :lol: Yep. He told me pretty much the same thing, hence, the 8-string. Although his primary motivation was to really have that range for Brahms pieces he was studying. From there, the next logical step was Bach.


    Brahms guitar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I've never messed with any of those four-part fuges, but I've had two of my electric guitars tuned with a high A. I'd love a seven string classical, and I almost bought an eight string classical, but I opted to get another electric instead.

    I used to do the high G tuning on my electrics when I couldn't find strings that would tune to high A.
     
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    A: Have you ever heard Eliot Fisk's various transcriptions of Scarlatti harpsichord pieces? It's completely terrifying, on top of his work with Bach, Vivaldi & Paganini violin stuff. He's one of the very few people I just BUY whatever he records and it's always worthy.
    Eliot Fisk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (His home site is down right now.)

    B: Have you ever run across the tuning that Robert Fripp calls the "New Standard Guitar Tuning?" I'm sure he didn't invent it - it's just fifths instead of fourths - but he teaches all his Guitar Craft classes in it:

    C G D A E G, low to high.

    The high string should be a B to remain all perfect fifths, but you can't get a string to do that. I kept a guitar around tuned that way for a few years (56-40-26-14-10-9), but I just couldn't get to it regularly enough to do anything but screw up my regular practice. It's also called an "octo-mandolin" tuning. Someday, somewhere, some long-fingered kid is going to jump on that tuning and blow some minds.
     
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    Yeah, I'm familiar with NST, and have experimented with it in the past. I actually found it suprisingly intuitive. It would definitely be interesting trying to adapt some classical pieces for it.

    Nowadays, with Garry Goodman's strings, a guitar tuned in perfect fifths across the whole neck is a serious possibility...
     

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