Wiring 2 Single Coils together to make a humbucker?

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  1. lewis

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    Can you take single coil pickups, place them top and bottom of each other (so they look like a normal humbucker) and wire them on a super 5 way switch so you have options like
    5th position - Single coil bridge
    4th position - them together = Humbucker bridge

    and so on and so on with whatever neck humbucker or single coil setup you have?
     
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    Yes...kinda.

    The magnet and pole layout will be different than a "regular" humbucker, but you will have no hum which is the definition of a humbucker. Make sense?

    PRS has done this with the 513 and 509 models, and some boutique builders did this for fanned guitars back in the day.
     
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    it being for a fan guitar is actually the reasoning.
    If I used Actives too I presume it would work better aswell?
    like the EMG S7/SA7 etc?
     
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    I don't see why it matters, active vs. passive.

    Why not just swap baseplates on an existing humbucker? Use wider pickups in general?

    It just seems like a roundabout way to get the job done given what's available today.
     
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    To do it properly with two standalone single coils, one of them should be RWRP.
     
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    :agreed:
     
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    1) I read elsewhere there was some weird ness with string pull that actives reduce?
    2) I prefer the sound of single coils in certain guitars and was curious to see how 2 paired would sound

    what does RWRP mean?
     
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    Reverse-wound, reverse polarity. It's what bucks the hum.
     
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    Active pickups are low impedance, so they're weaker in general, which is why they're boosted by an active preamp. It's also why you'll have them closer to the strings typically. Doesn't really have a major affect on "pulling" the strings.

    If you have a couple single coils sitting around, wire them in series like a traditional humbucker. Try parallel out as well.

    Reverse-Wound, Reverse-Polarity. It's exactly what it sounds like. A pickup with opposite winding direction and polar orientation of the magnet. It's how hum-cancelling works.
     
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    Besides the aforementioned PRS 513 and 509... Peavey did it back in the 90s.
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    And you can also do it with most HH and SSS guitars. Many HH allow you to wire the inner single coils together as a middle humbucker. And many SSS allow you to wire the two front or two rear together as a humbucker. My PRS with Brent Mason electronics does it... and so does my EBMM Steve Morse.
     
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    I have a 4-way switch on my tele that basically does this (though with the neck and bridge pickups, not two coils side by side). It's worth trying.
     
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    This is something I always wanted to try, but with a Sustainiac system. Have it wired so the Sustainiac and a single coil right next to it would be activated to get a truer humbucker neck sound. But given the complexity of the Sustainiac system, I doubt it would have worked?
     
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    Ahhhh that looks so so siiick!
    Im really tempted. Anyone got any idea where there might be sound clips of what 2 singles together as a "humbucker" might also sound like?

    Im hoping its like a much twangier version of a humbucker ala a hybrid of the 2 sounds. Because that would be perfect
     
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    Check the Seymour Duncan Stag Mag.
     
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    Looks a lot like Robbie Robertson’s strat
     
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    Yeah there's all the various 3,4,5, and 7 way wiring of Teles (series, parallel, coil combos, coil splits/tap, no load, etc) to get all this good magic! (Besides the usual various Strat wirings)

    https://920dcustom.com/
    ^ This company sells a bunch of cool prewired stuff for Strat and Tele style.

    Regarding the RWRP, it really comes in handy with P90 and P90 mixed wiring.



    But RWRP isn't the only choice... there's a cool vid regarding in phase tricks, but I can't find it right now. I thought it was Greg Koch, but when I find it I'll post it.
     
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    The StagMag does this, for sure, and the big thing about that pickup is its split tone. All single coils that are wired like humbuckers make compromises, including the Stag Mag. Each coil by itself is great, but 2 singles wired in series does not sound like a typical humbucker. It is thicker, with more mids, less highs, and less tight on the bass.
     
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    This is exactly what I wanted to know.
    What about wiring 2 single coils together in parallel?

    Obviously with modern metal you need tight bass, good mids and highs
     
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    Look at the prs 513. With enough switches you can do whatever you want. The only caveat being that depending on how your magnet and wiring polarities are setup some combinations may not be hum canceling.
     
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    I have never said the stag mag sounds like a humbucker when in serial mode but I mentioned it precisely to point out that because that is what happens when you use two single coil pickups instead of a hunbucker: it doesn't sound like a humbucker.

    If you want humbucker sound: get a humbucker, if you want single xoulsoubd: get a single coil.

    If you can be happy with a middle ground check the stag mag if you want the best single coil sound and a second sound that can get you closer to a humbucker or if you prefer to give the priority to the humbucker sound then check the P-Rails.

    There are others pickups from other manufacturers that "promise" true humbucker and true single but I really doubt it's real but I have never tried those so...
     

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