Why the hell did I ever buy a tube amp?

And the problem is.....? A comparable digital rig would cost just as much wouldn't it?

 

Power supply should say $170, otherwise spot on

 

Tube amps. I know, right?






So...

Does everybody here use a gate, OD and reverb pedal?

My tube amps have always been pretty quiet. When I get one that has less gain than I need, I have to use the OD pedal, then I get too much noise, so then I need a gate... But if you start with a high gain tube amp, you can use a boost that increases saturation in a much nicer way and is a lot less noisy, in my experience, then you can get away without the gate in live situations. And, I've never used a reverb pedal, but I do love a little BOSS DD-7 delay.

A related vent - why is it that the Q-Tron/µ-tron/auto-wah/touch-wah thingie on my Roland Cube bass amp sounds so much better than any pedals I can dial in, and yet there isn't even a dial on the amp to mess with, it just always sounds nice and quacky. I want a pedal that I can use on a big amp that does the same thing, or heck, even a switch on my bass... There's got to be some secret - I bet the thing is totally digital.

 

Ah, I thought the complaint was a price thing. So what you're saying is that you don't like individual pedals then...? Digital rigs can just as easily lend themselves to tap-dancing if you've setup yourself up for it.

IMO the fastest route to a frustration-free rig is just to minimize the number of separate sounds you need. For me, I can get away with basically one sound per band. If there are pedals involved they're always on. If I need a clean sound, which is rare, I roll the guitar volume down. In one band I have a bunch of pedals that sit on top of my amp head and I just use one switch to turn the fx loop on and off.

It's just as easy to get yourself stuck in patch-hell if every song and every verse needs a different amp model, and different eq settings, sometimes a boost to patch in, etc. etc. I personally would prefer not to deal with it. Even if I had a digital rig, I'd probably just find my one sound in it and stick with that 99.9% of the time. And I never both with a lead boost- I hate the idea of juggling two different volume levels mid song.

 

I feel like the benefits of digital have been getting really exaggerated as of late. How is your tube rig slowing down your set up times? You have a head, a cab and a pedalboard vs. a rack, a powered monitor, and a foot controller. As far as tap dancing, with only three effects there are a whole lot of ways you could creatively cut down on that. For price, you could have paid a lot less for that 6505, you could have easily made a pedalboard for like $10, you could have made a load box for about $30, and you can get plenty of amazing impulse packs for like $10.

And remember in 10 years, your 6505 will still be the gold standard, and if something happens to it, any tech can fix it easily. The same can't be said for modellers. Not saying there aren't plenty of advantages to modellers, but I feel like people blow tube amps problems out of proportion sometimes.

 

Get really popular and hire roadies to set up your rig then... I know you gave me a warning, but it's really not that bad.

 

It sounds to me like you don't know how to organize your rig, not that your rig is bad.

Colour-code your cables. Use fluorescent tape. Generally know what you're doing.

I bet if you had a fractal or kemper unit, your post would be "Why did I ever go digital? I spend all my time tweaking patches instead of playing guitar."

It's not the gear's fault you aren't streamlined

 

I love this bit. Totally going to include that line in some instructions

 

- Peavey 6505+: $900
- Boss Overdrive: $50
- Decimator 2: $130
- Reverb pedal: $75
- Pedaltrain: $100
- Power Supply: $30
- Loadbox, Cab Sim and Headphone amp: $400
- Cables: $30

Spend a little more, buy this:

https://www.boss.info/us/products/ms-3/

Then no more tap dancing. Step on one switch, it all changes.

 

I didn't realize you were using the load box live with in ears and such. In that case, in my opinion there is no way to make that complicated of a rig easy to set up short of putting it all in a rack.

I don't expect to sway you, but if you want my two cents: ditch the whole load box and in ear thing live unless/until you're a big name act. Whenever I've seen a smaller band using that kind of set up it has always taken them ages to get set up, and then ages longer for the sound guy to figure out what to do with all their shit (because lets be honest, the sound guys at the venues smaller bands tend to play either don't care enough or aren't properly equipped for that kind of stuff). By the time they played the crowd was already annoyed because of the set up times.

For some actually helpful advice, maybe consider something like a Boss LS-2, with your noise gate and OD in one loop, and the verb in the other. That way to switch from boosted, gated dirty channel to verbed clean channel it's two presses. A little bit of tap dancing but a manageable amount IMO.

I think more than anything, I can't understate the importance of practicing stuff. Even setting up your rig takes "practice" to get real fast. At this point I can set up my amp cab and pedalboard super quickly just because I've done it a billion times.

 

Or $450 lol go mondo or go home lol

 

Yeah - in ears are excessive unless you play serious stages for most of your gigs.

You're saying you need all this stuff to put on an acceptable show, but there's so many bands out there who aren't using in ears, direct feeds, load boxes etc. who are putting on great shows and touring hard, building their brand.

Again, it's not the gear's fault. What's the bare minimum you need to get your sound? Once you have that down, practice setting up and tearing down to make it as fast and painless as possible.

Have you talked to your bandmates about what they think you can improve on? A band is a family - everyone should be helping out everyone else. If I see that our other guitarist has to take care of something, I'm going to set up his pedalboard and make sure his rig is plugged in once mine is taken care of.

If you want to put on an acceptable show, write the best music you possibly can and be professional about arriving on time, set-up time and tear-down time, and playing within your set schedule. Talk to the other bands, actually watch them and let them know what you enjoyed. Thank the sound person, staff and venue. That's how you put on an acceptable show.

 

I definite like having the ability to go from the sound of an ENGL model with two gates, a boost, and a perfectly mic'ed Mesa OS 4x12 to a FDR with a comp, chorus, two delays, particle verb and a perfectly mic'ed Jensen 2x12 just by hitting one button. Even running IEM and two on-stage monitors its still only four cables (minus the FOH XLR): Guitar In, L/R Out to Monitor, Headphone Out to IEM Mixer.