Which cnc machine should I get?

Discussion in 'Luthiery, Modifications & Customizations' started by MikeNeal, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. dankarghh

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    You coud build a sphinx, i just thought this might be more user friendly. If you're comfortable sourcing parts from the bill of materials from ebay/aliexpress i got mine together real cheap. If you want to buy a kit, it really would be worth waiting for IMO! I'm sure it won't be too far off!
     
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    I honestly think the shapeoko 3 XL is what i'll probably get, it has lots of good reviews, has the least assembly required and will probably be the easiest to learn on.
     
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    Be patient Mike! I've been the guy happily using a machine with belts, my x-carve was running great BUT. Screws are a massive upgrade and the difference in price is negligible. Way less maintenance.
     
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    LiveOVErdrive CNC hack

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    What kind of maintenance? Just replacing belts?
     
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    https://shapertools.com/

    I have one of these on preorder. Let me know if anyone decides on jumping in. I can give a link where we both get like $50 or $100 off , can’t remember?? The current batch ships this January.

    I really like the idea of not having a big ol cnc bed hogging all my precious shop space.
     
  6. pondman

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    Unless your building for profit rather than a hobby I don't see the point of investing in something expensive that will totally take the enjoyment and skill out of building anything.
    I'm not having a go at you, it just baffles me :scratch:
     
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    You should have a read of this :) http://www.sevenstring.org/threads/ron-thorns-take-on-cnc-and-timeframes-etc-interesting-read.41039/

    I already own a CNC for my business but will also be using it for guitar building (as a hobby for the foreseeable). I would definitely have bought one just for hobby building too. It does take a lot of learning and many skills, and plenty of time. There are many creative touches that are just are just highly impractical or almost impossible to do without a CNC too. I find it incredibly fun, along with the 3d design process. As the post above explains, all a CNC really does is automate the repetitive bulk material removal process. Personally I wouldn't consider those things fun at all - I'd much rather focus on a great design process, learn to program for a good cut result, and then enjoy the fun part of bringing it through sanding, finishing, assembly etc.
    It all depends what you personally enjoy.
    I can see that hand carving things would be fun, but for me it's a timesink and highly impractical. As mentioned CNC will allow me a lot of creative options that would be ridiculous by hand
     
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    Haha sanding and finishing are my two least favourite things :p Right next to creating tool paths haha. Still, I use my CNC for templates and fingerboards and really love it. I'm pretty sure Pondman can whip up an amazing guitar quicker than anyone could make one on a CNC :p
     
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    I don't think that's the case at all. CNC's don't just puke out ready made products, there's still a lot of work to go into it. It also takes a certain amount of skill and craftsmanship so to speak to come out with geometry that actually works, it's quite challenging, and a joy in its own right. It gives you more time to do the things that do take skill and craftsmanship, like taking a rough cut neck and taking it to final shape, sanding the guitar to perfection, the stuff that makes it to the final guitar. I hand built for years, far too long really, and at this point wouldn't go back. My CNC guitars are just plain better, because I can spend more time on the things that actually make them better. I still have to do plenty of hand work, because I still have to make my blanks, I still have to do glue ups, etc.
     
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    Yeah, I agree. To e
    I'm hoping it will add to the fun of building. I really don't see the difference in using this tool over that tool. They're just tools and still require a skilled person to operate them. You can't just flip the power switch on a CNC and expect to get a guitar out of it no more than you can a band saw to do so. I watched a guy over at another thread go through the build process using only hand tools. It looked absolutely painful and agonizing to me but, obviously, it was how he enjoyed doing it.

    Another perspective: I can have all the best tools in the world , cnc, automated fret slotting machines, drill presses, you name it and Pondman will still build a better guitar than I and faster too! I think it all comes down to the skills of the craftsman and how he wants to get the job done. ;)
     
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    Shapeoko is having a sale right now apparently. If I'm reading this right, routers are free with the xl and XXL. Too bad I already ordered mine.
     
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    30"x48"x5.5"

    I like mine so far. first CNC.
     
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    The cnc without water cooled spindle close to $4,000

    I had never really even seen a CNC before getting this. I always built with templates. I learned the CAD and the CAM side of things. Now I can draw and cut. IMG_20170129_113245_921.jpg IMG_20170129_113217_529.jpg IMG_20171117_090310_321.jpg
     
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    CNC is just a tool. Must learn CAD and CAM to generate your own files to work with.

    It took me a year
     
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    I used to use a Porter Cable router with a Super P.I.D. I was disappointed so after a year I bought a 2.2kw Spindle from UGRA.

    I post these because I learned from whatever I could find from what others shared. Good luck

    Cool Thanks
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    I finally got a shop situation that seems stable but my neck's too worn out to do work like I used to so I decided that I have to build a cnc mill/router/plasma table to finish my projects. I'm about $1500 in for a 48"x 30" x 16" with 4 hi-torque nema 23's, 16mm lead screws, 4a drivers, and a raspberry pi/grbl shield controller. I looked at Smoothieboard too, which looks awesome, but couldn't quite afford it at order time. Once I get the plasma cutter and build a water cooled 3kw spindle from rc boat parts, I'll be $2500 into the machine.

    I designed it so I can lower the table from table height to -40" so I can put big stuff in it. When I switch to plasma, I'm going clamp a water/slat tray to the bed.

    It will use a $10 airbrush setup for mist cooling when I cut metals with the router.

    I tried to post up the main cad file and bom but the site won't let me. I still need to draw the z-axis plate/rollers, the plasma tray/slats, the leadscrew mounts, and the vacuum/workholder hybrid table for the bed but the drawing I have is a good start. If anyone wants the plans, pm me an email address.

    As soon as the holiday crap is over, I'm picking up steel!

    This build is what inspired me to go for it!:


    My design is way different though. Much stiffer, can slide a 4ft sheet through it, wheels are in double shear, good leadscrews that are hidden, can work on the ends of a 40" tall part. I may automate the table height in the future too.
     
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    I finally got my controller box done! So far, I'm really impressed with the linux/open source stuff!
     
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