Voter Suppression in Arizona

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  1. will_shred

    will_shred not that good.

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    There might be some who would argue otherwise, but let me put it this way. Isn't it a little too convenient that in the first presidential election cycle after the 'conservative' supreme court gutted the voting rights act, that a red state just so happened to cut 70% of the polling locations in it's one blue (and, white minority) county? Which just so happened to include the largest city in the state, Phoenix. I don't buy that it was purely about "cost savings". I know, I know, its only a primary. But what if this trend grows during the general election?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...84e856-f2c0-11e5-85a6-2132cf446d0a_story.html

    also, I do think that Bernie could have won the state if it wasn't for this.
     
  2. vilk

    vilk Very Regular

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    that's f///ing illegal seriously the dudes who allowed such a thing to happen need to be forcibly removed from their positions of authority immediately.
     
  3. ASoC

    ASoC Downpicker \m/

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    Don't see how you could argue otherwise, the AZ Secretary of State admitted that election fraud was committed while simultaneously denying the possibility of a revote
     
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    russmuller Cramblin' Contributor

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    It's been a mess here. Everyone is pretty pissed about it. My ex stood in line for 2 hours before being handed a Republican ballot (WRONG!) by a confused elderly woman who was very overwhelmed by the lines and issues. People's party affiliations were changed, they were sent to the wrong polling places, etc...

    I know that the government is incompetent, but these primaries happen every 4 years. I have a hard time believing that something shady was not going on.
     
  5. asher

    asher So Did We

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    Why do you think they decided to gut the VRA?

    Republicans engaging in significant voter suppression is not new.
     
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    FILTHnFEAR Infidel

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    Yea, poor Bernie, keep making excuses why that geriatric communist pos can't get elected.
     
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    asher So Did We

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    ed: nvm
     
  8. russmuller

    russmuller Cramblin' Contributor

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    Wow, tell us how you really feel. :lol:
     
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    ASoC Downpicker \m/

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    1. There's no need for any ad hominem attacks here, nobody is even really talking about Bernie or what he stands for.

    2. Doing that really just hurts YOUR credibility and no one else

    3. This is about the voter suppression/election fraud that occurred in the AZ primary elections and it happened to people on both sides of the aisle.
     
  10. Edika

    Edika SS.org Regular

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    Bernie a communist? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Now that was so hilariously ignorant it made my day. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    I have to stop grinning like an idiot otherwise people will think I'm crazy.
     
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    vilk Very Regular

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    ^I swear I hear some 'neck say it every day
     
  12. asher

    asher So Did We

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    At least before, when you called someone a communist, you actually had a small chance of being correct about their political ideology!
     
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    This. This is almost exactly the kind of thing that opponents of these changes had warned would happen at the time this was being fought.

    Though, I'll take this one step further - it's HIGHLY unlikely that this cost Bernie Sanders a win. Two main reasons, both complimentary:

    1) First, remember that the way this actually played out was it was disproportionately black/minority neighborhoods who lost polling stations under the new changes in Nevada voting. This would, well, cause chaos and long lines everywhere, but would disproportionately do so in black and minority neighborhoods. Clinton had been winning the black vote by upwards of 60 percentage points elsewhere, so if there's anyone this would have hurt, it was her.

    2) Relatedly and not surprisingly, Nevada has actually been, adjusted for demographics, one of Sanders' best showings yet. Using this analysis compliments of FiveThirtyEight.com, the voting in Nevada implied what would have been about a 5-point national race (Clinton should have barely eeked out a win by less than a point of the race was truly a tossup; instead she won by 5 points). At the time Sanders was running at about a 15 point deficit to Clinton, and he's never pulled within more than 10 points of her in nationall polling. Nevada is actually kind of an outlier for how close Sanders came in the voting... ...which makes it all the more likely that Clinton, not Sanders, was hurt by the voting irregularities.

    EDIT - oops, you were talking about Arizona, not Nevada. :lol: A lot of the same thoughts still apply, though - what should have been about a Clinton +30 or so (RealClearPolitics' final pre-election poll) came in at a Clinton +18. Considering that Bernie significantly outperformed his polling in Arizona, and the fact that #1 above still very much applies, it's hard to see him being negatively impacted by the turmoil.
     
  14. tylerpond05

    tylerpond05 Mormon Metalhead

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    Don't the political parties handle the primaries? All I know is that the progressive era gave us the primary system, thanks to Teddy Roosevelt. Before that, state parties would elect delegates from the congressional districts base on who they would vote for. I think a few states still send delegates in this manner. This is a very quick summary of what it was mostly like before, and may be missing some detail...it was a long spring break.
     
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    ElRay Mostly Harmless

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    4. Being an idiot that doesn't understand the distinction between socialism and communism is more than sufficient to justify ignoring anything else he posted.
     
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    celticelk Enflamed with prayer

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    Well, except that a large proportion of the American voting population doesn't see to understand the difference either.
     
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    .... socialism and communism. A breath away from each other.

    It's really funny how if I called any of you raging liberals an idiot, I'd get banned instantly, but the other way around...crickets.
     
  18. AxeHappy

    AxeHappy SS.org Regular

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    Socialism and Communism are about as close together as capitalism and fascism.

    Yeah, they're on the same side, and they have things in common...but to compare them as the same thing is just ridiculous.
     
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    What's ridiculous is failing to realize how easily one leads to the other, and how fail both are.

    But by all means, let's change the name to "democratic socialism" and pretend there's going to be a different outcome.

    If we can JUST do it right this time. Right? :rolleyes:
     
  20. russmuller

    russmuller Cramblin' Contributor

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    Yes, it's ridiculous to differentiate between things that fall under a wide category. Blues and Rock are basically the same thing. Rock and Metal are basically the same thing. Muddy Waters was a metal guitarist!

    Yes. Scandinavia and North Korea are basically the same place.
     

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