Volkswagen busted by the EPA

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  1. Mike

    Mike The Traveler Contributor

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    Your Guide To Dieselgate: Volkswagen's Diesel Cheating Catastrophe 

    TL;DR: Volkswagen has been using a device on their TDI (Diesel cars) to cheat emissions tests. The device knows when the car is being tested and allows the car to emit less emissions than during standard operation. VW is facing billions in fines.
     
  2. Adam Of Angels

    Adam Of Angels The GAS Man Contributor

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    Billions. Wow.

    I almost bought a VW too - glad I held out.
     
  3. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Ouch.

    Too bad, was looking at a TDI for the wife, will probably get the Subaru instead.
     
  4. asher

    asher So Did We

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    Not a device, software.

    This is the only way that their urea-free diesel engines can pass inspections.

    Fvck them. Not that I'm holding my breath for enough actual punishment..
     
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    I read software some places and a device other places so there's some conflicting reports out there.
     
  6. will_shred

    will_shred not that good.

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    My mom just got a recall notice on her TDI over this, she took it to the dealer and it was fixed within like a couple days. TDI's are awesome cars, at this point I'm just not surprised by any wrongdoing by any large company. They are all run by scum bags, but this is common knowledge.
     
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    It's an ECU tweak that recognizes the parameters used for the EPA's emission testing. "Specifically, VW designed a “switch” in the vehicle computer to sense whether the car was on the EPA’s dyno using inputs including steering wheel position, vehicle speed, duration of engine operation and barometric pressure—inputs that the EPA controls when they do their certification testing."

    I think it's genius to be honest. These cars are all clean enough to run in Europe-we just have much tougher standards on diesel emissions. These are still great cars, fuel efficient, and probably cleaner than a lot of the used cars most of are driving.

    The next question to ask is who else is doing this? If the parameters for emissions testing are openly known by manufactures pulling something like this off is probably not that complicated. Pretty sure both Ford and Hyundai have gotten some flack recently for cars that can't meet their EPA mileage ratings in real world driving.

    The fact that the EPA relies on automakers to self-certify their cars is pretty absurd. Is this going to lead to the Sarbanes-Oxley of the auto industry? :lol:
     
  8. Xaios

    Xaios Foolish Mortal Contributor

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    :coffee:

    Video card manufacturers have been doing this kind of thing to boost their 3dMark scores (3dMark is the most ubiquitous benchmark application for testing a PC's graphical capabilities) for years. Smartphone manufacturers have also gotten in on it lately.
     
  9. JPhoenix19

    JPhoenix19 Playing life by ear

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    If I refused to buy a car from a company on the basis that I thought they were corrupt at some level, I'd never buy a car.
     
  10. celticelk

    celticelk Enflamed with prayer

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    The difference being that those devices don't produce toxic compounds as a consequence of their function.
     
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    Edika SS.org Regular

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    Well well well, if this isn't bad PR for our "incorruptible", "benevolent" and "holier than though" overlords in the EU. They're against corruption unless they're creating it. Then it's business until they get busted.
    There are several examples in my country of German companies doing deals with our corrupt politicians and system with one of the most current being discussed is the scandal with Siemens.
    Vitriol directed at the German government and technocrats. I have no issue with German people whatsoever, just to be clear.
     
  12. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    I know, right? Why are we comparing lower-than-advertised FPS to increased greenhouse gasses?
     
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    asher So Did We

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    You know, things that directly and indirectly lead to tens of thousands of premature deaths every year?
     
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    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    That is some shady shiz. Disappointing for sure.
     
  16. Xaios

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    I wasn't comparing the consequences in either case, or implying that it's acceptable behavior. I'm just surprised that other people are surprised that a large corporation built a cheating mechanism into their machine in order to make people believe it's better than it actually is, when such activity is well documented in lots of other technology-related industries.
     
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    Cheaters must pay.
    anyway, VW are still great (best?) cars in that price range
     
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    The rest of the European brands are also suspected for cheating now
     
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    Hopefully the break this wide open and we can get some honest numbers from a company for once...or they'll just lie better.
     
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    Did they think this would never be noticed? It's like when a cat hides behind something but you can see the tail. :scratch:
     

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