update on drop G 7-string

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  1. Smoked Porter

    Smoked Porter SS.org Regular

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    :shrug: Lighten up amigo. You really should listen to @bostjan and @InCasinoOut though. I think that unless you really want the EMGs regardless of tone-chasing albums recorded by one of metal's best producers/engineers, doing a bunch of routing for them won't be worth the risk/effort/$.
     
  2. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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    Somehow this phone doesn't allow tagging, but that's the thing. I have other reasons as to why I would want the EMG 81-7s aside from the tone-chasing but I don't know how much it'll be cost-wise in the long run so I'm like... :'(

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  3. bostjan

    bostjan MicroMetal Contributor

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    The routing is kind of a big deal, but kind of not. I mean, if you aren't thinking this through 100%, I think it's going to end up disappointing you.

    How are you planning on doing the routing? Are you going to repaint?

    Also, I'm biased. I tried the 81-7 in the bridge position before and I didn't like it. I know a lot of guys who tried that same pickup around the same time I did, and only a few actually liked it... That's my experience with the EMG 81-7. I'm just thinking that now that nearly a decade has passed, maybe you should try out a guitar that already has an 81-7 and then go whole hog into it or not. Driving a couple hours to find one is really not that big of a deal unless you are like super busy, IMO.

    But it's your money, so don't take anything I'm telling you too seriously. I'm really just trying to help you out in the long run. If you try the pickups and absolutely fall in love with them, then none of what people are telling you matters.
     
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  5. Smoked Porter

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    For what it's worth, I found the Dimarzio Titan to be very similar to the EMG 81-7 tonally, and I'm not alone in that assessment, if you look around. It doesn't saturate as easily, but it cleans up better and is a bit more versatile (it can do metal AND rock :lol:). I'd offer clips if I still had a guitar with the Titan in it. If you don't like it, it is also a lot more tradeable and worth more money used than EMG.
     
  6. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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    I have talked with my cohort and they're saying I don't have a choice but take it to a luthier. There is one that I know of that works in downtown, so it's only a matter of finding out his charge.

    I mean, I have thought it through completely and I do strongly believe it's worthwhile. The real question is how to get it done without having to bust the bank, more so than whether to go through with it or not. And probably I'm on the other side of the bias because, again, I've always been a fan of active pickups to begin with. And there is a very similar pickup which is the 89, which is my favourite pickup thus far.

    Er... if all else fails, I could look into buying the Ben Savage signature guitar that I have been looking at in the marketplace, but it's like... $800CAD and I'm not sure if my mother will let me go through with that because I already have bought a seven-string guitar not very long ago... I'll talk with my mother. Again, though, as I mentioned above, the question has more to do with how to go through with it without busting the bank, but that being said, if I really have no possibility, then there's going to be a lot of different pickups that's going to jump into my head.

    D Activator 7 set
    Black Winter 7 set
    Titan 7 set
    <Sentient Neck (bridge)/Sentient Neck (neck)> set (this one would be very interesting)
    Mark Holcomb 7 set
    Invader 7 set

    Again, there's going to be that tough choice ahead of me, but only if the routing turns out to be too expensive.

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  7. InCasinoOut

    InCasinoOut syncopAZN

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    Man, really my vote goes to just getting good passives aimed at doing the modern metal you're going for. Just because you already ordered the EMGs doesn't mean you're at the point of no return and can't send it back like you seemed to imply. It already sounds like you didn't do enough research into their installation (if you have to ask if they need to be routed for, it seems like you jumped the gun on ordering them..), and now feel like you have to double down and go through with it because the EMGs are on their way, but that doesn't have to be the case. Did you take into account that it needs a place for the battery? Are you gonna route for a battery compartment or just jam it in the control cavity? Is there enough space in there?

    Your list of passive pickups on the other hand will handle the modern sound you're going for. You'll skip the cost and work of routing, and you can always flip well-cared for passives until you find that perfect pup, but like I said, those pickups you listed are great and unless you're super tuned into an exact sound you hear in your head, I'd imagine you'd be pretty happy with any of them.

    I have D-Activators and Titans in 2 of my Prestige RGAs, and love them both. The D-Activator definitely rips for modern metal, but the Titan is my favorite for total versatility, and is in my #1 guitar. I had an Agile 7 string with EMG 707s, hated those pickups, thought about getting different EMGs, but ultimately just sold the guitar anyway.
     
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  8. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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    I already have specified that I do have another guitar with a different set of EMG pickups. I am already aware that it requires 9V batteries, and I have plans for that. The reason why I can't say that I jumped the gun was the fact that if I ordered any later then it would've worsened my situation even further because I did need the 81-7s as quickly as possible due to deadlines I have to meet, and the fact that it's going to take over three weeks for the thing to get here already shows that I shouldn't have delayed. Technically I made the right choice as to hurrying up on the order. I was aware that I would have to get the thing to a luthier but I still have yet to find a window to contact Rainer (who is pretty much the only luthier in my area, seems like).

    At the cost of sounding like a broken record, not being able to try something just because of the complications that may arise doesn't make sense, unless the complications outright render the item/activity redundant, which this is not the case, which is why it doesn't make sense. Likewise, returning a set of pickups without even attempting to install them also doesn't make sense. That's what I was trying to get at the whole time. You never know unless you try.

    Tell you what. If Rainer responds with a really hefty quote as soon as I manage to contact him, then I'll contact Cosmo Music, cancel the order and ask if I can get something else from them instead. I mean, the fact that I'm this adamant about this should kind of tell you that I really have no plans on going back.

    It depends. There are so many different specific tones I'm after that I have no clue if I can truly be satisfied with the one set. Even with the 81-7s I know it'll only help me get one of the many specific tones I'm after, so if I do want to try getting a different tone I may need another guitar.

    What's really boggling my mind is that everyone's screaming "passive" out of their lungs when I already have specified that I am fan of the active tone.

    What is it with people hating EMGs or active pickups in general? I mean, I for one actually love the EMG tone. I know that's just me, but you do have to realise that's all the more reason to actually want to install the 81-7s that bad. I already have tried the 85s, I already do use the 89s plenty of times... And neither of the two models were disappointing at all. I really love those pickups, again, all the more reason to go after the 81-7s.

    Again, though, I'll see if I can contact Rainer this Monday and see if he can do it at a reasonable price.

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  9. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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  10. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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    Thought it over because I know Cosmo Music isn't open until tomorrow.

    I still find the "mandatory" transition painful and nonsensical because it's not like I'm choosing to install the D Activator 7s because I actually like the D Activator 7s better or anything like that. It's only that the D Activator 7s are easier to install. I've been looking around in the demos and tone-wise, if I didn't have the pickup cavity limitation, it would've been the 81-7s by a mile.

    Then again, I could look into the 85-7.

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  11. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    I don’t even know what the point of this thread is. Buying pickups that don’t fit your guitar is an excellent reason to return them.
    If you absolutely want the 81-7 then keep it. Find some local luthier or drive to cosmo and pay them whatever they ask to route your cavities.
    If you want a new sound with minimal expense after buying pickups; then get some that fit your guitar.
     
  12. WintermintP

    WintermintP Lead/Rhythm Guitar, One Minute Winter

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    I left a message on Cosmo Music asking if I can get the D Activator 7s instead.

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  13. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    I think that’s a smart move. They have very similar compression characteristics to active pickups, and is a great choice for the sound you’re after.
     
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    This is why people think Canadians live in igloos.

    Hate to tell you, but I don’t think there’s any EMG 81-7’s on Our Endless War.

    Furthermore, Cosmo Music is far from the only place you can get them. Sure you might be in Canada, but there are several other retailers such as La Music, Long and McQuade, Axe Music etc.

    On top of that I’m sure they have an excellent return policy. Return them. Get a nice set of passives and have a competent tech install them.

    I get this sinking feeling that if you don’t let a tech handle this you’re going to totally fuck up your guitar.
     
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