Unpopular opinions

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  1. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire grossly incandescent

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    I'm not breezing over it. They weren't the first or the last group of people to be enslaved and mistreated, Koreans were enslaved by the japanese for over 60 years until the end of ww2 (not to mention their liberal kidnapping of korean women and forcing them into prostitution). Poles,Czechs and other eastern european groups were worked to death during WW2 by the germans and russians. All of those groups also had systematic attacks on their cultures and traditions as well. Some of the eastern european groups nearly had their cultures erased within the last 50 years. The russians literally let millions of people starve to death in the 1920s, they systematically murdered millions, they pillaged and raped across europe at the end of the war, including attacks against other slavs/ female russian POWs.
    Ever heard of the Black and Tans? The Great Famine? "No Irish Need Apply" ?The brits treated the Irish as poorly and subjected them to the same kinds of discrimination as american blacks. Even into the mid 19th century they were barred from jobs, public houses and were attacked in the streets of some cities because they were Irish.
    That's not to mention the fact that the irish were subjugated to racism/discrimination (irish weren't considered "white" until relatively recently) for close to a 1000 years.
    Charles Trevalyan essentially acted like the potato blight was a calamity from god that would cleanse the Irish from the earth. A lot of the British govt was incompetent and didn't believe that the famine was a real thing, then dragged their feet offering aid, and eventually cut off aid, which made them complicit in the deaths of over a million irish. Part of that had to do with british laws that allowed landlords to charge excessive rents, which put a strain on poor working class irish, and the other part had to do with their seizure of the nutrient rich soil/pastures so cows destined for england could graze. That seizure of the land forced most irish to depend almost entirely on the potato as their food source since it was the only thing that would reliably grow in poor conditions.
    You should consider brushing up on your world history
     
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    I play music SS.org Regular

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    Not sure if unpopular opinion but I absolutely hate the use of the word porn for anything else than videos or images of people having sex.
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    ^ I don't share that opinion, but I enjoy the idea of it. :lol:
     
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    We're not talking about world history, you said:

    No one said they were the first or last group enslaved or mistreated. But within the context of the conversation, they do have a unique experience in the U.S. and have faced an institutional and accepted racism that other groups haven't on the same level here. Cops don't pull people over and shoot them for looking Irish. Or Korean. Or Polish. Or anything other than black.
     
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    Mathemagician SS.org Regular

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    Unpopular opinion amongst some of the more (deeply) conservative population:

    Hey look. White men trying to decide what is or isn’t “racism/racist/justifiable to be upset by/bothered by”.

    Why can people just never know when to just “sit this one out”, take a knee, and take their cues from the people with the actual complaints?

    Maybe just acknowledge the concerns and accept that they don’t “get an opinion” on something for once?

    Same problem with men voting on what women can or can’t do with their bodies. Why should they even get a vote?
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    I'm not deeply conservative by any means, but I can't agree with the idea of entirely discounting anyone's opinions this way. Framing that opinion (and how you can apply it) from the context of their reference point? Sure, I can get behind that. In the sense that, yeah, maybe people shouldn't throw their vote into things that don't concern them. But I wouldn't go as far as saying "you're not allowed to even talk about this" or "your opinion is entirely invalid by default".

    I think there's a distinction to be made between "hey, maybe your opinion is valid, but don't step into places that don't concern you" vs. "your reference point makes you wrong by default".
     
  7. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire grossly incandescent

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    Look at the treatment of the Irish, Chinese and Japanese, etc during the 1800s. They all faced institutional racism and were constantly discriminated against. That's part of the reason distinct immigrant communities like chinatowns/italiantown/greektown/koreatowns formed. They were essentially forced to live in specific districts, due to people not wanting to rent to them. The whole "No Irish need need apply" signs were popular here in the US up until the early 20th century. Hell the japanese and chinese had literal laws preventing them from being able to immigrate here and the treatment of asian railroad workers was beyond appalling. Need I mention how japanese farms were seized by the government, japanese americans were forcibly interned and how it took the better part of 40 years for them to receive compensation for that? Even in the context of US history, they didn't have a unique experience.
     
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    I'm not going to agree to disagree on this. This is not a factual statement. The unique experience continues today. Others also facing poor treatment doesn’t mean it’s all been the same.
     
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    unpopular opinion? Periphery makes me cringe.
     
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    At least you get a reaction at of it...
     
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    KnightBrolaire grossly incandescent

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    You talked about institutionalized racism and discrimination, and I gave multiple examples of other groups suffering from that in US history.
     
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    lurè Thy Art Is Mambo

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    dude we are talking about 4 knobs on a guitar, is that legal?
     
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    Yes, you gave multiple examples that proved the experience of blacks is unique, which contradicted what you were trolling about.
     
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    This is the main crux of my post. It’s fine for people to think for themselves. But sometimes people just need to know when to tap out and let others do the talking/negotiating.

    I think we def. agree on that. There’s always so much “whataboutism” every time ANY group of people who feel disenfranchised speak up.

    Think about #metoo, suddenly a small but vocal groups of men & Russian trolls started going “well what about men?”

    None of them cared enough about them a week before. But the next week that women wanted to talk about rampant sexual abuse that happens everyday, this vocal minority came roaring out of the woodwork to talk over them/insinuate doubt that it happens/argue with them that the actions they felt were unjust really weren’t and some people going so far as to say that the women should be “complimented”. To a woman talking about others doing things to them they didn’t like. That they should suddenly like it.

    Like, just let the women say their piece and maybe learn something too.

    This happens for everything and group, and it’s almost always white men stepping in to try to take charge of the discussion.

    Like yeah Kyle, I’m sure you know all about the struggle of being a black trans woman.
     
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    The906 Hella rad Contributor

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  17. KnightBrolaire

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    trolling? you mentioned jim crow laws- I mentioned the no irish need apply signs and how the irish were discriminated both in ireland/england and here. I mentioned literal laws preventing ethnic groups from getting into the US (Chinese Exclusion act of 1882), although if you want I can go into more detail about miscegenation laws and other laws that not only applied to black people but to any nonwhite race at that point. An 1870 amendment allowed blacks to vote, but not asians. Asians weren't even considered citizens til the 1920s, and that was only applicable to the ones born here (the issei japanese didn't even get the chance to be citizens because of the 1882 exclusion act). When the govt instituted Executive order 9066 to forcibly relocate thousands of japanese americans, that's far worse than nearly anything that happened because of jim crow laws. All of those examples I gave are exactly what jim crow was about- systematic legal discrimination based off skin color/ethnicity.
    You've offered no actual argument for your side of how one group has quantifiably suffered more than the ones I mentioned.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    *cough* centuries of chattel slavery *cough*
     
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    What the hell is this? Discrimination is overstated because it happened to lots of people?
     
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    Andrew Lloyd Webber Enjoyed by 4 out of 5

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    I’m basically the biggest slave, but one of you guys can fight for 2nd place.
     

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