Trade Advice (Kiesel/Diezel)

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  1. protest

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    I have 2007ish Diezel Herbert I'm looking to sell and I was offered a DC7X plus a couple hundred dollars for it. I'm not really a 7 string player, and not really a Carvin/Kiesel fan so I would probably just wind up selling the guitar. I don't know much about the market for Kiesel 7's so my question is would that be a fair trade and do these things move quickly and for how much?

    Specs on the Guitar
    Natural Finish Flame Maple Top
    Mahogany Body
    5-Piece Maple/Walnut Neck Thru
    Dimarzio PAF7 Pickups
    Push/pull coil split and 3-way selector switch
    Hipshot Bridge
    Tung-Oiled Body and Neck
    Ebony Fingerboard
     
  2. MaxOfMetal

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    Do Diezels really have that bad of resale? That Kiesel would only be about $2k new, so something like $1500 if it's in MINT shape and has a better than average top on the used market.
     
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    First of all, Kiesel are fine guitars - I’ve owned a bunch and spec’d out a couple in my younger days. You’ll even catch a lot of great guitarists playing their guitars, and they’re totally solid - no shade intended.

    What you should know though, and what I’ve learned having bought and sold maybe 5-6 kiesels, is that their resale value is terrible. A guitar that costs you $2200 on the guitar builder will resale for $1300 or less, most times, unless it’s got some especially impressive 6A top and upgraded bare knuckles or something. I don’t know why that is - my guess is market saturation, people can build the guitars themselves, buy them on credit with a payment plan, and then have a change of heart before they even get the guitar causing a quick, impatient sell-off - but it’s the truth.

    If you want to get a feel for it, try checking reverb for similar models to see what they list for, then look at 1) whether they have dropped the price, 2) how many watchers they have, and 3) how many offers they have. You can also google your model name plus the word ‘reverb’ and find a lot of image results that link to dead listings, which will give you an idea of how much they actually sell for.

    In fairness, I don’t know how much that Diezel resales for, but just beware of the resale drop off on Kiesels.
     
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    Way over-valuing the Kiesel. Since the MKIIIs came out, the Herberts have really taken a dive -- quite a few I could grab right now < $2k, which is unheard of, but 2007 -- that's MKII, right? MKIIs are usually more low $2k.

    So in other words, it sounds like you're fairly taking into account the lackluster resale of your amp right now. But you're not fully taking into account the very lackluster resale of 90% of kiesels out there. Adding $500 would be min, and if you have an mkII Herbert, I'd expect more $700-1000 extra on his end unless you were crazy about his spec.
     
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    It's a Mark I Herbert, 09 was the Mark II I believe, and yea since the III's have come out the value has gone down. I have it listed on here and RT for <$2k. Diezels generally have great resale value but the III literally just came out so there's not a lot of interest it seems outside of multiple people on Reverb offering me $1,500 with free shipping trying to take advantage of that and get a steal.

    Thanks for the info on the Kiesel guys, I thought that they were kind of hit or miss on resale but like I said I don't follow them enough to really know. If it's basically a $1200 guitar then I'm going to need like $600 and he's not offering close to that.
     
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    Unless you have the exact Kiesel someone, you're going to get hosed on it when you sell it. I had what I thought was a pretty nice DC700 in a color people would like, and I lost 50% on it, so from $2200ish to $1200ish. And it sat for weeks and weeks on Reverb. I wouldn't take the trade unless the other party ponies up the $600 or so for your amp.
     
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    I guess if the plan was to keep the guitar and you really wanted to unload the amp it wouldn't be that bad, but since it's neither I'd pass on this deal.
     
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    Yeah my initial thought was pass, so you all just confirmed it for me. Thanks guys
     
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    The DC7X also seems to have a worse-thn-average resale, specifically if it's one of the ones from the "Guitar Porn" run...not that there's anything wrong with those guitars, it's just that there were dozens sold at the exact same time with SUCH similar specs (some sort of colored perimeter burst on the flamed top, their "antique ash" finish on the body, many of them had color-treated fretboards, etc etc). So I feel like if it was NOT one of those, it would likely have better resale simply because those are so frequently seen on the used market because many were bought as impulse buys (which isn't usually Kiesel's MO, except for runs).
     
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    That sounds like a very good deal for the Kiesel owner to me. Diezels I would say have a very high resale value.
     

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