This is disgusting beyond words.

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by BucketheadRules, May 7, 2012.

  1. BucketheadRules

    BucketheadRules Fuzz pedal hoarder

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  2. SenorDingDong

    SenorDingDong Smeller of Smells

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    It is terrible, but you've also got to remember; their culture is much, much different from the UK's and America's. They probably find some of the stuff we do just as terrible. Social standards tend to dictate what we find "terrible" or "acceptable."
     
  3. Jakke

    Jakke Pretty wisdomous

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    Well, that's persecution for ya, atheism is not covered by the right of religion... Hope enough noise is made to at least shorten the sentence, there's really nothing else to do at this point.
     
  4. Volteau

    Volteau the Bard

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    This. Even though I also find this terrible, as Foucault would say, "Each society creates a 'regime of truth' according to its beliefs, values, and mores". The dichotomy of good/evil isn't as black and white as some are led to believe. And even within the societies themselves there exists a myriad of sub-societies. I myself live in one where Catholicism is the norm, and being an atheist, I'm looked at as "one of them". Pretty sad to be honest.

    And Jakke, is your location info a reference to Neil Young's song? Or just coincidence?
     
  5. The Reverend

    The Reverend GHETTO KING OF SWAG

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    How tolerant or understanding should one be in a case like this?
     
  6. highlordmugfug

    highlordmugfug themuthaphukkindeath

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    They want to beat him to death because he disagrees with them.

    "Well, that's just their culture, we can't say anything about it."

    Fuck that noise. Killing people over a disagreement, or because they said something mean about something you believe is all powerful, is bullshit barbarity. We have absolutely no reason to respect a viewpoint that objectively and powerfully increases the suffering of others for little to no reason (especially when they've done no harm to others).



    No one respects gang cultures for killing each other over where they live or the color of clothes they wear, there's no reason to respect violence and barbarity in other cultures over nonsense either.
     
  7. Stealthdjentstic

    Stealthdjentstic Banned

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    Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations ---> true
     
  8. Jakke

    Jakke Pretty wisdomous

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    It's in reference to this:

     
  9. Winspear

    Winspear EtherealEntity

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    Going to jail for not believing in something for which there is not a single ounce of proof?
    What the fuck is this world :noplease:
     
  10. SenorDingDong

    SenorDingDong Smeller of Smells

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    So we should instead force all cultures to uphold our laws and viewpoints and make them adjust their ways to fit our standards?

    To quote you, "fuck that noise."

    I never said you can't say anything about it--say all you want. But don't expect every other country to change in order to match ours. That's over-inflated egotism. You think its wrong? Well, apparently an entire country disagrees with you.
     
  11. pink freud

    pink freud SS.org Regular

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    Claiming that the alternative to accepting the values of a culture is warring on that culture to change it is a false dichotomy. One is perfectly capable of believing a culture to be wrong in some aspect without fighting to change that culture.
     
  12. synrgy

    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    Not to mention: One can disagree with a single aspect of another culture without feeling that said culture needs to adhere to one's own standards completely. In other words, there's a far cry between believing no human being should be killed for their beliefs, and thinking that everyone in the World would be happier if they just had access to Wal-Mart.

    Just because one disagrees with religious intolerance doesn't mean they think everyone should be American.
     
  13. Jakke

    Jakke Pretty wisdomous

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    And not to mention that a US poll showed that atheists are generally less trusted than rapists. In the United States of America folks, just leavin' it out there.


    OT, I agree with above, we can disagree with a policy in a country without it meaning that an invasion should be launched. Religious persecution is barbaric, and we are well within our rights to say that.
     
  14. highlordmugfug

    highlordmugfug themuthaphukkindeath

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    I never said anything about forcing them to change anything, and someone already beat me to pointing out that that's a false dichotomy, but no one has gotten to this one so I'll point out that it's also a strawman, since I never made the argument that we should force them to do anything, I just pointed out that not all viewpoints are created equal and ones that say that violence or death are punishments worthy of disagreeing with someone are barbaric and that that particular viewpoint is not something that we should respect/sit idly by and not at the very least voice an opinion on.

    There's a huge difference between respecting/understanding/appreciating other cultures, and defending unnecessary cruelty.




    Tell me how gang violence is just the tits, tell me how the Rape of Nanking was the bees knees, tell me how the holocaust was ballin' beyond belief, tell me how the way Pyongyang treats it's people is super fly, tell me how the Halabja massacre was awesome, or realize that your argument overreaches and you're equating "different culture" with "must be right, saying anything against it makes YOU the jerk".
     
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  15. SenorDingDong

    SenorDingDong Smeller of Smells

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    :spock:

    You think it is wrong because you were brought up to think it is wrong. You think it is cruel and unnecessary because you were brought up to think so. They were not. Their country has laws, just like any other. To them, it is not barbaric. To you, because of where you were brought up, it is.

    See, a country has laws. A person breaks the law, there are clearly defined consequences for breaking said law--which they are then subjected to.

    The point I was trying to make, which I thought was rather clear, is that you are holding them to a standard based on our country's (the USA's) beliefs/laws/etc.

    And in order for it to be a false dichotomy, I would have had to supply two terrible choices, and since accepting a culture and leaving it at peace to run the way in which it is currently running and is accepted by the majority of its peoples is pleasant for most every one involved... well, someone'll have an argument for that as well.
     
  16. Jakke

    Jakke Pretty wisdomous

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    But hey, with that reasoning, slavery wasn't that bad either, they were brought up to think it was okay, who are you to say that it was wrong?
     
  17. Winspear

    Winspear EtherealEntity

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    I personally think it's wrong because punishing somebody for what they do or do not believe in is wrong. Simple.
     
  18. highlordmugfug

    highlordmugfug themuthaphukkindeath

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    I'm waiting.

    And, it's not really that pleasant for all the people getting beaten to death/threatened with death over mild disagreements.


    I'll just leave these here.
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    And what about all the people in the nations where things like this are happening that DON'T agree with it, that AREN'T okay with being killed for petty differences, who WANT things to be different? To hell with their opinions because they aren't in the majority?

    You smugly telling me that "well you only feel that way because of where you were raised *monocle*" is condescending, and it's a not-so-clever way of not having to actually argue anything or support anything, because it allows you to just repeat your point over and over again without actually answering any questions or supporting yourself.
    And until you understand that, and realize, once again, that you aren't "respecting other cultures" you're defending violence and persecution (or at least defend yourself, and be consistent on the holocaust, Nanking, and every other act of violence ever committed somewhere that you don't live also being okay just because 'the culture is different'), I don't really have anything else to say to you.
     
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  19. Jakke

    Jakke Pretty wisdomous

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    I have been wanting to use this for ages!:lol:
     
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  20. pink freud

    pink freud SS.org Regular

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    Your argument is an argument from moralistic nihilism, and there is nothing wrong with that (I am one), but that philosophy is only sustainable in a society that also practices healthy empathy.
     

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