The truth about Blackmachines?

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  1. Velokki

    Velokki GAS station

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    They seem to be these mythical pieces of wood, forged in the ancient underworld by the long forgotten kings of luthiery.

    Have you played one? Have you owned one? Do you own one?
    What do you think of them? Are they worth their fame, or has the hype gone way out of hand? How do they compare quality/feel-wise to, let's say, Ibanez Prestiges, ESP, Skervesen?

    Are they really, magically good?
     
  2. OliOliver

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    No guitar is worth the money a lot of BMs go for, regardless of brand or quality.
     
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    An old friend of mine (now banned on this forum) owned four of them. I got to play one on one occasion. While it was an excellent guitar, I wouldn't call them the "holy grail" as a lot of people tend to do, nor would I go so far as to say they're unexceptional like a lot of people are saying now that the hype around them is gone. They are phenomenal playing and sounding guitars.

    The B6 I played was far better than either of the Prestiges I've owned. I haven't played a ton of Custom Shop guitars from a lot of brands, but I'd put the quality on par with a Suhr or a LACS. I played the B6 years ago, so I couldn't give you a closer comparison than that.
     
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    No. from what people who've actually played/owned them have told me, they're pretty varying in quality, and none of them are some secret voodoo magic that will make you dj00nt better. If you're going to spend stupid amounts of money on a guitar then stick with small builders who actually still build, and do so consistently well (ie carillion, waghorn, ran, ken lawrence, nik huber, etc).
     
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    Are blackmachines still even relevant? Seems like that hype ship sailed a couple years ago and you don't even see new builds.
     
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    ^The hype has largely died down because people who wanted one were either lucky enough to buy one knew, able to buy one second hand or simply got another B2 style guitar from one of the countless luthiers building them. He doesn't build much anymore for a number of reasons.

    There's lot of threads on this site going into detail about them, just google sevenstring.org and blackmachine. You'll find everything you need to know.
     
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    Everytime a brand goes H Y P E , I just try to remember that the CHON guys shredded the s*** out of two RG421's for years. Makes my wallet happier !
     
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    It’s a custom shop super Strat shape. At a certain price point you are just paying for looks/specs since the build quality will be about the same.

    These things are made of wood and metal not unicorn horns.
     
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    I was just gunna let this post slide on by but you mentioned Carillion so I had to like it.
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    Yeah from my understanding Blackmachines were just like any other custom shop. They just got blown out of proportion because a lot of popular artists in one particular scene happened to pick them up for a while. Average build quality was high, but typically not perfect, and the early builds were a little rough. From most of the B2 owners I've heard from and spoken to, the B6's that Feline is cranking out are probably of higher average build quality.

    As people have mentioned, the hype has largely disappeared and anyone buying a Dougmachine right now is probably going to lose money on it. And, again, past a certain point, you're paying for a shape, design, pedigree, or reputation rather than build quality. To someone like me, that's good enough. I'd be totally happy dropping $4,000 on a Blackmachine if it felt and played like a $1000 Prestige because that shape is the perfect guitar shape to me. So long as you know what you want, temper your expectations and don't expect some mythical piece of wood, you'll be fine.
     
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    I have a left handed B6 built by Feline, and I have to say it's one of my favourite guitars that I've played. It's lightweight and resonant, the neck is flat-tish and fast but not ultra thin, the fret work is excellent - beautifully dressed and rounded ends. It sounds snappy and is really pleasurable to play. It also smells amazing. I don't know about the hype, but I can tell you Feline put an amazing amount of work into this build.

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    Preach

    Blackmachine was a perfect storm convergence of the internet maturing into the current social media era, the emergence of Djent and all the cults of personality it spawned and the late 00's, early 10's flirt with design minimalism
     
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    Im really only interested in this.
     
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    i have never owned one but i have played 2 of them , not worth the money or the hype , but they are great guitars.
     
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    My knightro guitars smell like fresh oranges all the time because they were finished in odies oil. :p
     
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    a b2 is, as it has been for the past 14+ years, my dream guitar
     
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    I cant afford one and never will but lets not allow prices to cloud our conversations every time we discuss this guitars. He wants more depth point of actual view on guitars as a guitars not as a chunk of money. Money aside, so how is the Blackmachine you have played?
     
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    I have 2 B6's (an older one and a newer one) because they are absolutely incredible guitars. 2 of the best guitars I've ever played. I don't give a damn about hype or djent or whatever. I'm old.

    Ask Leah Woodward about B2's...
     
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    She seems to be buying everyone's B2s! Was stunned to see Misha sold his koa B2 to her last month. Remember seeing a video of him stating it was the one guitar he'd ever sell....haha

    Leah has, I believe, 6 B2s and 1 B7.
     
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