The Role of Government (Formerly Net Neutrality Thread)

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  1. cwhitey2

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    This pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole thing.

    I wouldn't really have an issue with it if there 10 other options in my area for internet...but I have 1 who is already horrible. They are going to bend America over and stick it to us.
     
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  2. KnightBrolaire

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    same. where I live there's only 2 options and frontier is trash while charter is barely giving me 45-50mb/s download speeds for 60$ a month. I've got a buddy down in nashville where internet is considered a utility and he pays 60$ a month but gets like 1-2gb/s download speeds. ;_;
     
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    Dum-dum question time!

    If we can shoot internet out of the sky into our phones, why we gotta have fiber optics and cables and DSLs? I mean, obviously we can use them because we already put them in the ground so it is convenient... but we keep talking about how it's prohibitively expensive to enter the industry on account of how much work goes into putting physical cords in the the earth... but is it also prohibitively expensive to like just buy some antennas or satellites or however magic sky internet works and have a bunch of competing ISPs that just beam the net directly into your shit?
     
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    the biggest problem with satellite internet is that coverage can be intermittent and speeds typically don't approach those of fiber optics. At least that's how it used to be, nowadays I'm sure there's enough satellites out there to get pretty steady coverage, though I don't know about the speed aspect improving. As far as putting the cables into the ground, that's part of why I think internet should be a govt run utility, they already tear up the streets every year to mess with water/electrical lines/whatever, why not just install fiber optics and undercut the shit out of charter and time warner?
     
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  5. synrgy

    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    I'll bite.

    The available data suggesting that any statistically significant portion of Canadians come to the US for any/all care is -- at best -- shaky. Generally, I'd say the suggestion is verifiably false*.

    Most of these situations are exclusive to people in border towns, and that stands to reason: If one happens to live on the Ontario side of the 1,000 Island border crossing, for instance, the three (arguably four) nearest hospitals are all on the other side of the border, in New York.

    In terms of averages, Canaians wait longer for specialized care, but that average doesn't account for the nuances between different areas and population numbers. It's not fair to compare the wait times in/near Lanark Highlands, ON (population 5,128) to those of Toronto (population 2.8 million), any more than it would be fair to compare Milford, DE (population 10,979) to Washington, DC (population 681,170).

    Waiting for specialists is extremely common here, too. How many of you have made phone calls to specialist's offices in The States, only to be told that either A) that doctor isn't taking on any new patients, and/or B) it will be several weeks or months before they will be available to see you, and/or C) that doctor doesn't work with your insurance? Maybe I've just got bad luck, but that's been my experience with the offices of every specialist I've ever needed.

    *Sources here, here, here, here. Also, anecdotally, I'm happily married to a Canadian.

    Some keys takeaways:

     
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    The ratio of Canadians traveling for medical care to the USA as compared with Americans traveling to Canada is only comparatively higher because Canada has a much smaller population.

    In sheer numbers, there are far more Americans traveling to Canada for health care than vice versa.

    And especially a far greater number of Americans purchasing medicine in Canada. I'd bet there's veritably no one in Canada who comes to America to purchase medicine.
     
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    Not saying whose right or wrong, but three of the links include 15+ year old data. The snopes article is comprised of "study data" written by someone who doesnt live in canada it seems. And even still, for those with the highest income to pay near 50% tax (the minority of residents), is disturbing.

    Taxation is absolutley theft. Healthcare costs should be lower.

    The old days of your family doctor visiting you in your house with his briefcase of antidotes in hand is loooong gone.........and so is competition. While a "free healthcare" system seems like a great perk, it does come with a great cost. And i dont believe it will be sustainable in the coming future. All of this stuff costs money, where will the money come from?

    This has turned into a different thread now
     
  9. synrgy

    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    The depressing part is that care without insurance is generally cheaper there than it is with insurance here.
     
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    I think it's more disturbing that you could tax 50% of someone's income and they can still afford to live a life several thousands of times more lavish than 99% of the population.

    Ohhhhh noooooooo they're taking 50% of my moneyyyyyy now I can only afford 70 houses and 50 yachts instead of even 100 each that I wanteddddddddd

    "Oh no! Only 70 houses!?!? That's so disturbing!"
     
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    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    Right. Which was kind of my point: Everyone claiming 'Canadians come here for care' is cherry picking from that same set of data, which wasn't super accurate to begin with.
     
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    He said through publicly funded infrastructure for a the publicly developed world wide web. Though, to be fair that was European funding, so get off my lawn!
     
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    Hahaha i love these kinda posts.

    Rob peter to pay.........................yourself?????!!! Oh tgif
     
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    You missed the part where i said "i know somebody who lives in canada....."
     
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    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    No, I didn't, but it seems like maybe you missed the part where I said "I'm married to a Canadian".

    Like, I didn't want to go so far as to call you a liar, so instead I just presented a bunch of evidence to support that your anecdotal experience is statistically insignificant/irrelevant.
     
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    15 year old studies is not relevant evidence
     
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    synrgy Ya ya ya I am Lorde

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    *edit* Nevermind. I should know better than to engage.
     
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    Tag your it. Are we done now?
     
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