The POD recording tips, tricks, and eq-ing thread

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  1. 7 Dying Trees

    7 Dying Trees Forum MVP

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    Since a lot of people use the pod, and there's no central place for tips and tricks, it's time to start a thread. For POD xt's, 2.0's, pockets, X3's, and all variations thereof!

    Basically, post the following:

    EQ tips: what to do with eq, where to EQ it, rough filter settings (ie freq, DB boost/cut, approximate Q)

    Tone tips: which models, settings, link to the patch library, and anything that helps, ie, this patch should be double tracked to get the best out of it

    Tricks: general bits and pieces of advice, maybe some things that tie in with EQ-ing, handy things to make working with the pod easier.

    As example, this is the kind of thing we're looking for in this thread:
    Update courtesy of Plankis, cheers mate!:

    General:

    PODmanuals can be found here: Line 6 :: Support
    About impulses: http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/recording-studio/79670-the-impulse-faq-tutorial-thread.html
    Presets: Sevenstring.org - Patch Library







    EQ:




     
  2. Nick

    Nick Stop the Madness!

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    there was a thread on here that explained how to get rid of the fizz which i found to work amazingly well.

    so much that i saved my eq settings on a word file.

    i'll post when i get home.
     
  3. Mattayus

    Mattayus Sir Groove-A-Lot Contributor

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    Bravo good sir!

    i'll throw in some observations about the mics, including all pros AND cons -

    On axis - If you want to catch the passing 'grain' of the tone then this is a good one to go for. It brings out the character of the gain but lacks oomph and punch with some cabs, and seems to be top-end biased.

    Off axis - this is actually my new favourite, as it captures everything and has a great balance, allowing you to use EQ to shape it to how you like. I dare say it works well with most if not all cabs, but with some it can sound dry and dark. All in all though it's the most 'natural' sounding, if you will.

    Dynamic - I used to use this a lot, and it works great with cabs that don't quite get that 'cranked' sound. It does tend to have an inherent fizz that exaggerates the well known fizz that pods have. It can be killed with EQ adjustment though. I do like this mic, and it's always my second choice, but it can be a bit over the top and digital.

    condenser - A huge no no for rhythms. Personally i've never found a combo to use this in for rhythm guitars without it sounding murky. However - i'll never use anything else for leads, it's FANTASTIC for leads. It really brings out the Carvin Legacy brown sound style leads that i love. It does tend to blend the characteristics of all amps though and any two amps mic'd with the condenser will sound more similar than the same two mic'd with a '57. That said, just try it for leads with a bit of delay. It's very Thordendal/Van Halen. Smooth, and compressed.
     
  4. 7 Strings of Hate

    7 Strings of Hate Mid-Level Asshole Contributor

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    so i'm assuming you guys all prefer the A.I.R. mode as opposed to direct line in?
     
  5. HeavyMetal4Ever

    HeavyMetal4Ever SS.org Regular

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    It's not really a tip, but lately i've been using the Line6 Purge patch + the Screamer stomp model for all my tight metal riffing. I've got lots of different variations of this combo with different eq, cab, mic etc for each guitar I own.

    If you havn't tried that combination, and you like really tight high gain tones, give it a go, you might find something you like too. :)

    Rock on! :hbang:
     
  6. Plankis

    Plankis SS.org Regular

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    I use the bulbpatch, modified a lil' bit...

    The frequencies I find annoying on the big bottom and usually cut are at 3,2 kHZ, 4,7kHz, 5,2kHz, 6,5kHz.
    I usually try fix it in the patch later but it is tricky to remove the fizz and maintain the clarity. A way to do it is, in the pods internal eq use the "high shelf EQ band" and shelve it -10.6dB @ 4kHz. Obviously it will sound really dull, so next step is to crank the presence. I got a much nicer presence doing this, Which can be heard on the Gerudo valley-cover, didnt do any eqing at all except lpf and hpf.

    A multibandcompressor, can really help tame the palm mutes without removing body from chords and stuff. set a band at 125hz, set the threshold so that it barely reduce anything when playing other stuff than palmmutes.
     
  7. Sang-Drax

    Sang-Drax God is dad

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    :fever:

    Great thread! Since my POD will only be arriving next week, I have nothing to add - yet.
     
  8. TomAwesome

    TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!!

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    Not a bad idea for a thread! I suppose one of my tricks would be boosting somewhere around 8k-10k. This somehow seems to make the models sound a bit more realistic, at least through my rig.
     
  9. Jaaaaamie

    Jaaaaamie Wasteman Scumbag

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    I'm a little tired and busy to read this thread properly right now but it looks like my dream thread. When I can open my eyes wider than a baby hamster I'll be back.
     
  10. Jan

    Jan SS.org Regular

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    I still have my good ol' POD 2.0. which I am using with a small amp to practice at home. However, I never really learned to record it properly... So if you have any experience with the 2.0., please share it too! :) Don;t forget the ancestors!
     
  11. mnemonic

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    i dont really have too much to add, as i pretty much only ever use the big bottom/v30/421 combination, but with this combo, i've found the midrange knob is very important to the clarity of the amp, i usually run it between 85% and 100%. the big bottom amp with this cab/mic combination is pretty scooped sounding, so i like to get as much mids as i can get, haha.

    this amp also gets boomy really easy, so i try not to run the bass too high. i also run the gain low, and boost it a tiny bit with the boost+eq stomp (along with cutting bass and boosting the crap out of the mids and treble with the boost+eq stomp)

    and as with all amps, use very little gain for recording, in order to have maximum clarity and cut, and minimum fizz.


    also i hvaen't seen this written before, so i'll type it now; those looking to get good jamming tones out of a pod, i've found it sounds like crap with headphones (but what doesn't) and you have to treat it like a real amp when playing. ie, if you dont sit with your face infront of the speakers (PA speakers, computer speakers, whatever) you'll get alot more body to the tone, and alot less fizz. i have mine connected to my computer speakers, and i sit next to my computer when i play.


    also, i've found the whole "less is more" concept holds true with the pod. its easy to get an overgained overly fizzy/overly boomy tone out of the pod if your settings are too extreme. also i try to keep it simple with the amount of fx i'm using on the pod too, i dont use the eq, modulation, reverb, delay, or compressor on my rhythm tones, because just the amp eq, boost settings, cab, and mic settings are already alot of knobs and switches to think about, and you'll learn more about how the amps react to different settings, and how to attain a tone you like better than just piling on filters and effects.
     
  12. chimp_spanner

    chimp_spanner I am a meat popsicle

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    +1. Less gain, more mids, simple patches. Most of what you need to know about the POD!

    ***Deleted a whole paragraph there as it was also covered in Mnemonic's post haha.
     
  13. friendforafoe

    friendforafoe Chugga+Djent=Happy Contributor

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    If you have a pod X3, try using the dual amp mode with the same preset, but with one cab with an off-axis mic and the other with a dynamic. It makes the preset sound very smooth.

    Do be careful in mixing two seperate preamps with the dual amp mode as it can lead to distortion phasing and a really crappy, fizzy gain sound ... I use a mix of chunk chunk and big bottom. Figure out what your "main" amp is (i.e. the big bottom for me) and have that set with a volume of about 70 and your "secondary" amp (chunk chunk) with a volume at about 30-35 (tweak as desired).

    It's fun to experiment with the dual amp mode ... take an amp like the modern hi gain, which is very mid friendly, and mix it with something that lacks in that department. Modern hi gain and treadplate works nicely ... when experimenting, like i said before, you'll have to adjust your gain accordingly because it can get very shitty very quickly
     
  14. Labrie

    Labrie King of the Swing

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    Ok so I just received my pod x3 live and I've been wanting to check out these patches that people on here keep raving about (ie big bottom) but for the life of me I can't seem to find it. Could someone kindly point me in the right direction?
     
  15. bulletbass man

    bulletbass man Classical & Metal

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    Cutting back some between 2 and 2.5 k helps bring out cleaner palm mutes and get rid of some of that high end noise from the percussive tone of the palm mute opposed to the note. Helps brings out the rthym tracks.

    The biggest tools i've found for the pod aren't the pod itself. using the compressors and eqs and plugins from cubase has really helped bring out the pods tone. The key is using both the pod and outside tools to bring it to it's potential.

    Do not treat the mics how you would a real microphone. It's my biggest complaint with the pod is the micing is pretty far from real microphones.

    The best way to get the best tone out of pretty much everything when it comes to recording is expiriment. I've spent countless hours adjusting mics to find a good sound from my peavey. I'll be spending countless hours with my pod as well.

    With the pod go thru nearly all the user presets and make as many different tones as you can. Then go thru them and find what you like about certain ones and what you dislike. Then keep working them over and over again till your satisfied. I"m personally never satisfied when it comes to tone (there's always ways to improve it).
     
  16. mnemonic

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    at the top of this page, click the link that says "features" and in the drop down menu, click "patch library," tons of patches uploaded by people from here.

    my favorite is bulbs distortion patch, my current favorite distortion patch is loosely based off it.
     
  17. MerlinTKD

    MerlinTKD ERG Drummer! Contributor

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    For Toneport users: all POD setting suggestions work exactly the same in Gearbox (though there may be certain functionality missing, e.g. the dual amp mode mentioned earlier).

    Something I discovered last night recording via Toneport GX and Gearbox (and goes along with Mnemonic's post): those extra FX will subtly affect your tone! I was struggling mightily with guitar tone frustration, finally turned off the Reverb and Delay, and suddenly found the tight, thick tone I'd been listening for!

    This seems obvious, but I had to re-discover it for myself: different guitars will require different settings to sound good. After finding halfway decent settings for my (then crappy pickup'd) basswood 7, I found they were absolutely unusable for my alder 6!

    While Gearbox doesn't have a dual amp mode, I've found tracking two different amps with the same cab cane make a super smooth sound. I use Reaper for recording, and have found that (for example) using the Spinal Puppet for one guitar part and the J-800 for the other gives a super full sound I wouldn't be able to get without substantial multi-tracking of each part.

    For me, I've found that I can't "fix it in the mix"; getting the tone right in the POD/Gearbox will go a LONG way in making the mix sound good.

    If you're poor like me ;) don't despair - fantastic metal tones can be had with just the basic POD or Gearbox! As mentioned earlier, experimentation is the key. Play your bass through a guitar amp and cab. Try your guitar through bass settings. Find out what it sounds like with this or that knob on 0, or 10. (Mattayus deserves credit for cluing me in to some great tones)


    Kudos to 7DT for starting this thread - it deserves a sticky! I wonder if there's some way to consolidate these tips without getting them lost in multiple pages?
     
  18. 7 Dying Trees

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    After a few pages, I'll start collating posts into categories in the first one :) Will make for easier reading!

    I used the 250-650Hz midrange bump and the 4k notch filtering tip last night, and really really liked the results, so this thread has already paid off for me!

    :D
     
  19. Jaaaaamie

    Jaaaaamie Wasteman Scumbag

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    Has anyone managed to record via USB with pod xt live and also managed to playback a backing track within cubase?

    This is really been pissing me off to the max, I'm not too bothered about hearing the guitar whilst recording, but I need the backing and click tracks so I know where I am.

    Any help?
     
  20. -K4G-

    -K4G- Go Auckland Blues!

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    This thread should be stickied.
     

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