The Faceless Megathread ("Autotheism" available 08.14.12)

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  1. CreptorStatus

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    Man, i think you should go back and take another listen to Planetary Duality because never have i seen someone so wrong. PD is up there with Necrophagist's Epitaph in pure technical death metal perfection. Every song on the album is top notch, even the interludes are great and don't come off as filler. The natural sounding production on that album was perfect, no drum samples, real mic'd up guitar tones, dynamics, etc. It actually sounds like people playing instruments. Its fast paced, its heavy, its melodic, the solos are unique and tasteful. Every song on PD has a dozen memorable parts and quality riffs. Lyle Cooper's drum performance is the best The Faceless has ever had. If there are hundreds of bands that made albums like this - please shoot me a list.
     
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    elnyrb10 fly you fools

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    I'm really digging the record, and especially shake the disease. Could care less that it's a cover, and the hook is too damn catchy [​IMG]
     
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    I need to give Planetary Duality a proper listen tonight. I've never been able to get into it.
     
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    Because it came out in 2008, no doubt prompting the 2010 deathcore trends that would follow.


    I always thought Legion of the Serpent was kinda meh, though.
     
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    Had no idea Shake The Disease with a cover! Feel bad that it's my favourite song on the album. The juxtaposition between an upbeat melody and song progression + tech death is awesome. Wish more bands of this style wrote like that. It's a great hook.
     
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    To me, I remember The Faceless just blowing away all the other deathcore bands when Akeldama came out. I even discovered the band when all they had were demos of Leica and Ghost of a Stranger in Drop Db, and listened to that shit hundreds of times and showed all my friends who'd be interested (steered many away from A7X, phew). I'm sure for many of us here in our late 20s and early 30s, deathcore was our gateway to more extreme metal, and they were at the top. That album is still so fun to listen to, even though they were young and still finding their sound. I actually enjoy that every song on that album sounds totally different from each other, to me it just sounds like they were exploring a spectrum of songwriting when they didn't have a defined voice, without sticking in any lazy filler tracks.

    Then Planetary Duality came out, and honestly I didn't get into it right away. It was just soooo fast for me at first, and sounded like a giant change over Akeldama. I eventually came to absolutely love it though, and attempting to learn as much of it on guitar as possible is probably the main reason I made a huge improvement in my playing compared to prior years of lazy "practice". I came to be amazed that they went from disjointed Akeldama to a fully fleshed out theme in an album, and it sparked my love for other-wordly tech-death. This is still one of those albums I can listen to from start to finish, and let it loop around all over again.

    Then when Autotheism came out, I felt like they already made a huge impact on other bands influenced by them and started feeling like they were falling behind the wave they inspired instead of staying at the forefront. I loved the first two albums because I thought they were full of catchy riffs and sections while being fast and technical, but nothing stood out on Autotheism for me like that. I can see the album as a logical progression and maturation of Keene's songwriting though.

    The new album right now feels like when I heard Autotheism for the first time. Certainly not a bad record, but nothing stands out to me yet. Will give it a few more spins still. I hope it still grows on me!
     
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  7. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    That reminds me of people complaining about Killswitch Engage sounding like a "typical metalcore band", or Disarm the Descent sounding like a "typical metalcore album."

    Dude, they made that genre what it was. EVERYONE tried copying Killswitch's sound. :lol:
     
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    Velokki GAS station

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    Umm... WHAT? :DD
    PD is my favorite album of all time (well, tied with Tool's Lateralus).

    But c'mon... no drum samples? :S NATURAL SOUNDING?
     
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    No doubt its a modern metal drum recording.. but yes. Besides the kick which was triggered, the drums were not sampled or edited. According to Keene at least.

    And really, compare the drums on Planetary Duality to the drums on In Becoming A Ghost. Tell me which sounds more "real."
     
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    you should watch this video of Chason playing live (the whole thing or after 2 min mark) his playing actually sounds like that. i'm willing to bet the single version of spiraling void was made with samples and the album version was actual drum recording.

     
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    Yeah, but the difference is he likely didn't write the majority of his drum parts. So, like I said....he might as well have been programmed drums because he was emulating pretty ho-hum patterns. Lyle Cooper, on the other hand, had personality for days. "Xenochrist" is so damn tasty and varied in a way nothing on this record is.
     
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    This album has Keen's best lyrical content, but it also has his most uninspired playing.
     
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    Listened through again, and I found myself looking for more. It's the maturing of The Faceless. We aren't ever gonna see another genre defining album like PD, but for true fans of Keene's work, this is logical progression. Sorry.
     
  14. feraledge

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    So I was late to the Faceless game because I couldn't get over Keene coming off as a self-indulgent weenie live and the music being overly sterile early on. For whatever reason, Autotheism is the album that got me hooked, even then I don't dip back a whole lot.
    That said, on the first listen, this is a pretty logical follow up to Autotheism. I dug it and, as with Autotheism, trust I'll like it more as I listen.
    Might be in the minority on this one, but since I always thought Keene fancied himself too much of an artist, I've been really avoiding caring much if anything about all his drama and his clear love for theatrics to just appreciate the end results. Given that, I don't listen to Faceless when I'm around other people much because his clean vocals require too much justification for me to have to live with.
    For me personally, with all the other info pushed aside, looking at PD to Autotheism to this, makes pretty perfect sense and I can't say I don't like it.
     
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    Blackstar playthrough :)

     
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    You guys are all nuts... Just listen to it and enjoy it for what it is(or don't). Why does everyone always have to shit on everything if it isn't exactly what they are expecting? Shit

    Also, only the Faceless sounds like the Faceless. No one can do what Keene does exactly like he does it.
     
  17. GenghisCoyne

    GenghisCoyne im here to party

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    the zenith passage has been playing the faceless better than the faceless since 2013
     
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    I never did get this comparison. IMO they're totally different bands, songwriting-wise that is. Yes, tech death, yes, aliens, all that... But very different in terms of song structures. I do think The Faceless wipes the floor with TZP, in regards to songwriting. Even though I really do like them too.
     
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    I kind of think of The Zenith Passage as the continuation and evolution of PD-era The Faceless. Of course, The Zenith Passage has a similar problem to current-day The Faceless in that all of the distinctiveness and personality comes from the guitar parts. The vocalist isn't particularly unique or notable. Justin plays the recorded bass parts, and they are adequate much as Keene's are. The drums lack dynamics and also sound programmed even though they did have a steady full-time drummer until last year. So it doesn't sound like "a band" as such.

    I just don't think you have to sacrifice those things to be a functioning tech death band. Obscura and Alkaloid are examples of real deal tech-death bands that have boss-level bass players and drummers to give their albums dynamics and a more cohesive feeling. Or listen to the last Job for a Cowboy record. Or even if you want to lean more to the jazzier prog death side, check out the last Exist album with Alex Webster on bass and Hannes Grossman on drums. Having that "real band" feeling and "real band" backing matters.

    Conversely, The Faceless' and The Zenith Passage's Toontrack-caliber backing stands out - and not in a good way - particularly when you're fueled by talented and expressive guitarists like Keene or Justin McKinney.
     
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    It would be way better with more natural sounding and dynamic mix, Planetary Duality stays as my favorite by them, though this new more progressive direction is quite intresting.
     

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