The degradation of John Petrucci technique

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  1. prlgmnr

    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    I have to admit I bailed out on weightlifting about a year ago because my 1 year old kid was sleeping so badly that I just couldn't recover properly. The benefits to guitar playing and drumming of not having my forearms constantly trashed from deadlifts are pretty great.
     
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    If you're talking about age being a factor, I'm just putting it out there. I saw Eric Johnson play live and he did not miss a single note, the man is an absolute machine.
     
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    There's an interview with Paul Gilbert on youtube someplace where he talks about playing one of his old Racer-X songs (sorry I don't remember which one). He says he can't just grab a guitar and play the song like he did in the 80s. He's got to warm up to play it.

    Personally, i'm glad the people I have admired over the years have been guitar players. They hold up a lot better than other musicians. Age is especially hard on the singers.
     
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    He sure is. It's worth mentioning and he and Vai are the health-conscious, vegan-meditating type, and that EJ has never played as fast as a lot of his peers - He seems to very deliberately keep the ceiling of his technique above the hardest runs in his songs.

    Makes me wonder how fast/morbidly obese Shawn Lane might be, today.
     
  5. prlgmnr

    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    Ah yes, the Gene Hoglan of the guitar, don't know how I forgot him.
     
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    Malkav Washing your dishes.

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    Shawn Lane's psoriasis was already getting the best of him near the end of his life, he was still hilariously fast but the kinds of lines and phrases he used changed in terms of the position shifts he was favouring. Guy was still an absolute ....ing God though, never stopped being that for a moment.
     
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    I wish he had released an instructional video or book in the last five years of his life, during or after his raga period. The guy could master and incorporate any style he wanted to; and all we got from him on the academic front was focused on random licks, solo excerpts, and picking patterns that mere mortals have no hope of nailing at the given tempos.
     
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    beerandbeards Majestic Shoveler

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    This thread should be considered blasphemy and someone should call the Roman Guard
     
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    Alex Kenivel Psycho, dont engage

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    You mean these guys are just mortal humans? No, can't be...
     
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    I saw Satch a year ago more because "these guys won't be around forever and I feel like I need to see the greats". I was blown away. Speed isn't what defines him and his relying on melody is, so many tasteful well placed licks and a huge blues background it sounds like. Uses flurries of speed but doesn't let it carry him.
     
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    Yikes, hearing someone describe Satch as "one of the greats I gotta see before he dies" makes me feel even OLDER somehow. :lol:

    The first time I saw Satch was the second, I thin, G3 tour, with John Petrucci and Vai, which would have been mayeb 2002...? What floored me the most wasn't his technique, it was his vibrato and his use of space. Not at ALL what I was expecting to be floored with in my first Satch concert, but the man can absolutely bring a guitar part to life.
     
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    Nobody knows how long any of these guitar greats will remain with us. JP will go down in history as a great guitarist simply for his work on Images and Words, which was decades ago.

    So 1) I'm not sure what the main idea is of the thread, and 2) Everyone has off days, more often at an advanced age.
     
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    Straying off topic perhaps, but some of us do keep up with the science on this stuff. Statistically weightlifting is pretty much the safest sport around. Here is the most recent review:

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-016-0575-0?__s=3jrge7yiwzwhjds3bzav

    If you train smart, it is also one of the best things you can do for your joints and tendons in general. Your body adapts and they get stronger along with your muscle. Hell, your bones get tougher from it.

    Less off topic:
    Weight lifting would strengthen the muscles around his wrist, taking strain off it which if anything, would help him perform with wrist only movements.

    You can find a video somewhere of Petrucci saying he will anchor with his pinky right in the spot for a direct mount pickup screw when he goes into hyper speed mode. I think this is a conscious choice John has made.
     
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    Age theory is BS.

    Paul Gilbert just turned 50 he is as good as ever, if not better, I have seen him playing live last week. Nothing mysterious about it. He just practices a ton, via his teaching, regular practice, gigging etc.. I had a lesson with him a couple of months ago some string skipping arpeggios he does I had trouble cleaning them up, he pin pointed the issue and proceeded to play much more advanced version of the lick, he fumbled just a bit and immediately said, "well thanks I guess you've made me clean this up a bit too". In last 3-4 years he has made about 5000 (yeah 5 thousands) 3-10 minutes private lesson videos for his students.

    It's not like playing guitar is bricklaying, fine motor functions don't deteriorate that much until very late in life (70+), except for people who are ill. Not enough warmup, maybe he has some health problems, not enough sleep, didn't practice enough (PG said once that fast picking is like exotic fish - nice to look at but requires constant maintenance or they die) or maybe his technique had some flaws which built up during years. He may be bored of playing fast and doesn't care anymore. Once you've done it, there isn't that much to it really..

    Occam razor says that it was a bad day.

    By the way Billy ....ing Sheehan is in his 60. Go see him with Mr. Big or Winery Dogs and come back with this age theory again. This guy plays a bass by the way.. huge strings. He does practice too.
     
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    MAB touches on this topic here (at 1h4m10s):
     
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    Saw Malmsteen live last year, during the Generation Axe tour. I could not believe that the ....er was actually playing a lot faster AND cleaner than during his "prime" years. He was also doing it while jumping all over the stage!
     
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    Lynch is 62 and Dug is 66. Not nearly as complicated or technique oriented as Petrucci... but neither is slowing down fo sho. :yesway:
     
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    Right on. I am not Michael Angelo Batman, I am younger than him as well, but I've noticed that - it does take longer to warm up (doesn't bother me at all). Good stretches became more important too. This is great interview, by the way. Batio is really enjoyable and interesting to listen to, his looks are really deceiving ;)
     
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    This thread made me realize how bad my right hand technique had become over the years. As a 40 year old large powerlifter myself, I attributed it to muscle fatigue from lifting nearly every day, plus having to move a larger mass (hence why NFL Qb's don't have huge arms). But after watching these vids I realized that my speed picking technique had become utter garbage.

    My form is a combination of Dave Mustaine (last 3 fingers straight and often used a bridge) and Eric Johnson (pickslanting with straight attack). I also noticed I hold my thumb and 1st finger both completely straight (like EVH but with 1st and not 2nd), not with my index curled like most. I also didn't realize how dependent I am on legato and HO/PO for speed.

    I've been trying to speed pick more lately and I found that I was getting fatigued within minutes of playing (again which I shrugged off as workout fatigue). Watching this video made me realize I was picking mostly with my arm and not wrist/fingers.

    The last couple days I've been working on pick tilt and picking with my wrist/fingers and I've already noticed an increase in speed and less fatigue. So I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad OP posted these vids... Thanks!
     
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    Rachmaninoff Amateur porn actor

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