The degradation of John Petrucci technique

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    Today I was talking to some friends about fast alternate picking technique, and differences when you pick mostly with your wrist vs. with your arm. Malmsteen and Paul Gilbert are great examples of relaxed picking, movement comes mostly from wrist. Until years ago John Petrucci also used his wrist a lot more, but at some point he started picking with his arm, just like Zakk Wylde and Timo Tolkki. These two videos can show the difference.

    "As I Am" solo in 2004, starts at 5:43, perfect execution, relaxed wrist movement:



    "As I Am" solo in 2015, starts at 5:28, missing notes, sometimes off-tempo, tense arm movement:



    So what the hell? Maybe he's not practicing anymore? I refuse to believe it has something to do with aging: it should be the opposite, the older one becomes, more technique one develops to play more effortlessly.
     
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    You must be pretty young. Age can be brutal on your joints and muscles. Not to mention nerves.

    Not to mention, everyone has bad days.
     
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    Maybe you should accept him as he is
     
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    Yea you see this a lot with pro athletes, they just keep getting better as they age :cool:

    As much as we all like to joke about him being a robot, he's still very much a person, and with age you slow down. It's especially noticeable if you pay very close attention to players who play very clean while playing fast. Eventually they can't​ do what they once could as easily, if at all.
     
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    Please don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the man. I'm not questioning his "stamina" or whathever, because we all know aging is tough on this. My question is just about his technique, which seems to be worse nowadays.
     
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    Which goes right back to what myself and others have said: age. He's just shy of 50 and has been playing guitar professionally well over half of those years. That's a lot of abuse.

    Your wrists (and ankles for that matter) don't hold up well with age, so it's not surprising to see him shift to using the larger joints to move.

    It's not that he woke up one day and decided to start using his elbow more than his wrist, he woke up one day and couldn't use his wrist as much as his elbow.

    Also, not to open this can of worms, I doubt starting to lift weights in his 40s has helped much. :2c:
     
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    I assumed it was due to combing the hair from his wrist over to his head
     
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    Hey Rachi. It's bedtime. Time to get off mommy's computer and brush your teeth. Don't forget your footie PJ's. It's still cold at night.
     
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    Like pro athletes and body builders these guys muscles and joints are ....ed from years of abuse. I read an interview with Tony Iommi listing out about 6 problems he had with his hands and wrists from years of playing and how he needed a bunch of operations to rewind his playing back to what it used to be.
     
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    This is sad to read. :(
     
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    Rachi... I think you're missing some other critical things. In 2004, DT was on the Train of Thought tour so JP had been practicing/playing this solo regularly for several months from the time they recorded through this tour. So it should have been damn near perfect. Not to mention this was a time when the set lists were pretty standard for much of the tour. So he got to play it lots.

    2015 is 11 years later and "As I Am" hadn't really been a staple of their live set. Also, this was a festival show. A lot of times band don't have the same kind of warm up time prior to going on stage. Something JP talks about doing for several hours prior to a live show.

    Also, even guitar gods can have an off day.
     
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    Yep, that's true. I've seen one interview where he says this.
     
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    Guys, guys, guys, you're missing the biggest change.......Portnoy's not there holding down that beat. John just can't get that timing with Mangini, duh!
     
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    The Inevitable Degradation of John Petrucci, coming to all good record stores this fall
     
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    eh I think it's the angle difference in the two videos.

    I think that it'll be interesting to see how the ultra shredders age as time goes on. Will their chops go downhill? I saw steve vai recently and his weren't quite as good as they usually are.
     
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    I'm surprised this isn't getting a better reaction. :lol:
     
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    Aging is a bitch, children :lol:
     
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