The Carvin / Kiesel thread

Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by soliloquy, May 22, 2011.

  1. Andrew Lloyd Webber

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    “I’ve never in my life purchased a Carvin or Kiesel guitar, and never will.”-Jeff Kiesel
     
  2. laxu

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    I disagree but you may have just a different preference. Played plenty of AANJs and I still prefer the Kiesel block heel. Surprised I did but at least on my Aries AM7 it blends in really well.
     
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    I made the mistake of watching the Perpetual Burn pickup demo with Danny Young playing using a Carvin JB200 and then the demo of the Carvin JB numbers guitar. Now I'm so confused because I'm lusting over both models, especially the numbers guitar, but I know it's only due to Young's playing (a great marketing move to use him for the demo's). I can identify that my main attraction to those instruments and the SD PB pickup is only to the dude's playing and sounds he's making but I still want them, knowing pretty well I'm not going to sound like that or play like that if I get one.

    @Andrew Lloyd Webber salt me up and put me in a jar to cure!
     
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    Danny Young is only on that channel to manipulate you toward one goal; and it’s to convince you to fund this affluenza-fueled punk’s racecar hobby:

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    If you just bought anything else (including a used JB or Numbers) and then donated a little cash to Becker directly, you’ll feel a lot better about your crappy guitar playing. You may even feel good enough about yourself to stop patronizing this site altogether.
     
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    @Andrew Lloyd Webber Aaaaaaaah now I feel better. A healthy dose of reality is what the doctor just prescribed.
     
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    i thought this was supposed to ae the "kiesel safe space" where bashing wasn't allowed :lol:
     
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    I’m just betting on the “all in good fun” nature of Edika’s request and my own farcical post ending up forgotten by the next page. Otherwise, the paper badges can fight for the glory of coming through with the pooper scooper to delete the shenanigans.
     
  8. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    No one really cares about your posts as much as you think they do. :shrug:

    I mean, you're on account number what? Meh, not worth the effort.
     
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    Well truth be told Max I asked for it so I'm to blame for this one.
     
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    Nothing to take blame for. Just saying nothing is really worth cleaning up.
     
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    Kiesel was, in no way shape or form, the innovator of that design. McNaught owns the patent from 2000, but over at the ESP forum, people seem to think that ESP invented the idea sometime after 2003. I'm sure other manufacturers claim that they invented it, too.
     
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    Really? didn't know that, thanks for the clarification. I hadn't heard of it before so that's why I assumed so.
     
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    With the $100 in free options, the DC600 comes out to 1649, which comes out to 179741 yen before shipping (current exchange rate is 109 yen=1 USD). That boneheaded store is charging 248,000 yen for it USED.
     
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    It's probably because it's Japan. Same thing happens over here in the US with shops from around the world. For instance, Mayones is way cheaper in Europe.
     
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    I think someone thinks he can cheat some poor schmuck out of money. Because it looks pretty it should cost more kinda thing, because here guitars with flame tops and stuff go for outrageous prices.
     
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    Japan's pricing can be weird. When I was there last time I was thinking of buying an Ibanez bass but turns out the model I was looking at was more expensive than just buying it in Finland.

    Those prices are pretty steep though if these are not new guitars sold by the store. Otherwise I would expect that's import tax + shipping costs + profit factored in.
     
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    These are used guitars, someone bought em, sold em to this shop, and expect people to fall for the pricing because most people dont speak English so they dont know how to order from Kiesel.

    Import taxes are TINY. I know the EU has some VAT taxes that jack the price up like crazy, but when I got my v220, all I had to do was pay the appropriate consumption tax (like 6000 on the base price of the V220, which was like $1099 at the time iirc) and shipping, even at 129 bucks, still doesn't get ANYWHERE near the price that that store is charging.
     
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    There's also at least one entity selling what appear to be new Kiesels for, like, $4K USD on ebay, for relatively "basic upgraded" models (things like flamed maple tops...nothing too out-landish). They are seemingly posted in batches. I don't see any up now, but they all have the same style of photography (different than the ones posted above). I have to assume they are for the Japanese market, but still...Is it just that they are banking on omeone not wanting to wait, or deal with importing?
     

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