The Car Thread

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  1. p0ke

    p0ke 7-string guitard

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    Yeah, that's how I try to think. And yeah, they said that normally when the water pump is replaced the timing belt + related stuff are also pretty much always replaced/tightened/etc. because those parts need to be removed to reach the water pump anyway.
    And 650 wasn't what I paid for this repair, that's two repairs combined (the transmission wires snapped roughly a month ago). A friend of ours is doing the repairs, so it's basically off the books, so that's why it's a fair bit cheaper. The parts obviously cost whatever they normally cost.
     
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    I like good deals, and I don't mind getting a car that's a couple years old. Typically with german/sports/exotics the first 18 months are horrendous for depreciation. So if you get a car that's 2-3 years old you will get a significant discount on what feels like a new car, and generally they still should have warranties and even maintenance plans sometimes, making your cost of ownership low. In the case of the S3, I got a certified pre owned, which means the car actually has 6 years of warranty from the original sell date, and it came with 5 years of free maintenance too, so that was very attractive, and the car cost about 20k less than it would have if I had gone for a new one.

    A lease usually works out to be the same or worse as buying a new car and taking the depreciation hit, so leasing or buying a new car are generally not super attractive to me.

    The only exception I made for this was for the 488 but that's because of how weird Ferrari is with their market, and how difficult it usually is to buy a new car from them.

    So if you want to do this for the least amount of money, I suggest financing. Find a good deal on a used car with a spec you like, maybe 2-3 years old. If you can, throw the cash you would have spent on the car, or at least the worth of one year of payments into a Vanguard index fund so that money can grow against the financed interest, then just finance the car with a nice delta of good monthly but low interest rate. If you have good credit you may not need to put money down.

    Then if you are like me and don't plan on keeping the car for the entire term of the lease, you can trade it in towards something else, and in MD you will only pay taxes on the difference in trade in value and the new car, which is nice.

    Sure this isn't going to make you money, but hell, cars are my vice. Probably should have gotten into drugs, they are way cheaper haha.
     
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    Also on a completely separate side note. I kinda want to have a fun and fast manual car and not spend a ton of money on it. So a buddy and I are gonna be doing an RX8/1JZ build probably in March. Gonna use it as an opportunity to learn a lot more about how cars work, and how to work on them! Gonna swap in a G35 transmission and aim to get about 450-500 whp. Already bought the Car and the engine and we are going to try to continue to get good deals on parts to keep the cost low without hurting quality or reliability!
     
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    zarg guitar nerd

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    be glad that you didn't get into guitars and gear, that would have been ba..... oh wait.

    would you make a youtube video series with updates about it? sounds really fun and interesting to watch!

    on topic:
    I'd also suggest going for cars that are a bit older, especially 1-3 year owned cars are were you can get the best value. I think leasing is a very interesting option, since you can either buy the car at the end of the lease or trade it in for something new and at least over here you can lease CPO cars as well, which takes away taking that big depreciation hit.
     
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    I'd still argue in most cases you are better off financing a used car than leasing it.
     
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    my 2 cents, register the car in a state with very lax emissions/registration requirements, and build a rotary. even after having to do a total engine build from scratch with my FC (twice, actually, which is a great story /s -- I could have had a 996 Carrera for less), it was substantially cheaper than an LS swap and definitely much, much cheaper than a JZ swap.

    I know you already have the motor but if you can find a good rotary specialist, man, these engines are something else. You can spool enormous turbos like it's nothing. The sounds my car makes are absolutely unreal - every single drive in this thing is a total fucking blast. The JZ is awesome motor and everything, but an RX car (of any generation) is front mid-engined just like the Mercedes-AMG GT-R and if you want to track something, they are almost impossible to top. The RX-8 has double wishbones up front, aka. basically the most ideal suspension setup you can hope for. Keep it 50/50 weight distro and they are so hard to beat around a circuit. You swap a 1JZ, you are putting almost 100 pounds in front of the front axle centerline and the handling will never be the same after that.

    and dude, for real. FUCKING LOOK AT THIS

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    that's a 20B three rotor build and it spools a GTX45R (79mm!!!!) turbo like nothing

    when I bought my Tacoma, I actually leased the first 3 years and then bought it out. I didn't save enough money so I paid the balloon payment on my line of credit, which was about 5.25% interest at the time. So in the end, looking back on the terms Toyota Financial offered at the time, I actually took a big hit on interest. It's been a while since I did the Excel spreadsheet math for what my actual cost of ownership was, but iirc financing with zero down for 72 months payment would have been cheaper than what I did, which was $5k down on a 36 month less, then financing the balloon payment and paying that off over (iirc) 2 years.

    Leasing is a great option if you are big into the keeping up with the Joneses style of appearing affluent. If you are actually looking for your lowest cost per mile, financing a lease return vehicle wins in almost every case, especially with German cars which depreciate very very heavily for the first 2 years, then very lightly after that.

    But I don't want to own any German car that's more than 5 years old. Especially Audi! They are great looking, very nicely finished cars, but at first when people explained the Audi "service position" to me I thought it was a joke, riffing on the service cost of an old German car. It's actually the normal way to maintain those cars, ripped straight from the factory service manual - basically, you take everything in front of the front bumper support beam off the car then do all your routine maintenance. But knowing the cost of assuming the service position, I thought it was a metaphor for literally just grabbing your ankles and letting the mechanics fuck you in the ass...
     
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    The cynic is gonna say that these german cars are engineered so that you have to get them get replaced after the warranty ends and they aren't made to last as long. But i dunno if it's really a tail wagging the dog situation. Is there really any point in designing to last if most of you customers are gonna switch after 2 years anyway?

    That's the biggest problem with barely being able to afford a used exotic. The maintenance costs will just eat your face.

    I bought my first bmw for 11k with 80,000 miles on it. It might it to 110,000 before needing a complete engine and transmission rebuild.

    My second one I bought used for 32 after trade in. In the 60,000 miles I had it, it needed 2 high pressure fuel pumps. The turbo intercoolers went out and needed to be completely replaced. It ate an entire set of run flat tires every 6 months.

    My buddy's McLaren is even more hilarious. You can look up some youtube videos warning against buying a used mp4-12c. That car is notorious for being a complete wtf. Every single part is proprietary and custom made. Only McLaren can repair it. My friend's car sits in his garage now. In the 1 year that he was actually using it as a daily driver it needed to be in the shop for 4 months.
     
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    That as to be one of the most "rich people problem" post i have ever read on this forum...
     
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    you know you are in the car thread right.

    Although I do realize I forgot the point to my story.

    So the point is that I kept my second car way too long. Right after the warranty ended my car was appraised at a trade in value of 15k. I drove it for 2 more years and had 8k in service costs. If i had taken that trade-in plus the 8k and added 7k I could have been in another CPO with a warranty good for 5 years. I eventually the car after 2 for 10k but i would have definitely spent another 7k in service if i had driven it for another 3.
     
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    Just realised I was rude and didn’t reply/thank you for the detailed response! I totally agree with your points. The only exception I might make is that trading frequently incurs more frequent costs of giving back to the dealer for wholesale value and buying something new for retail. Kinda like frequent stock trading and incurring a commission each time, you know? If you have a good dealer/salesperson I’m sure that can be minimised. Your RX8 build sounds pretty sick.
     
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    you'd want to minimize that by going cpo when you trade in. dealers have a huge incentive to get those used cars off the lot.
     
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    Why is that? Not questioning the truth in your statement, I'm just curious why they'd want to let them go for less profit margin than anything else on the lot - especially if they've got a little more work invested in them than just peeling off the wrappers?
     
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    MoonJelly a subtle stinging sensation..

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    After 15+ years of driving 15+ year old cars, I finally got a newish one. I had not one, but two vehicles die on me this last weekend, and I thought, I'm done.

    Ye Olde Jeepe that finally bit the dust at 218k:

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    The squeaky clean 2016 machine:

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    It's so fancy it almost drives itself. I went from manual windows and door locks to this :lol:
     
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    Here's to another 218k!
     
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    MoonJelly a subtle stinging sensation..

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    Ha yeah, honestly I might get that or more. Subarus are supposed to be super reliable and I have a warranty up to 150k. I'm driving so much with my new job (80 mile commute altogether), I couldn't justify another older car. Hoping to get 7-10 years out of it, anyway.
     
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    p0ke 7-string guitard

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    I'm really happy to say that my Focus is finally working as it should... Well, pretty much. I'm gonna need to take a part of the dashboard out to reattach a wire that's come of, it's the one that opens the hatches for hot air to blow into the windshield. Without that, the windshield gets all foggy and I always need to have a roll of paper with me to wipe it by hand :D
    Another problem I had was with the Android stereo I ordered - I made all the connections, even ended up installing ISO-harnesses into the car and female ISO-harnesses onto the stereos harness so I can just replace the stereo, pretty much plug and play... Then I took the stereo out of its' box and removed the protective film of the display... And turns out the display was broken :/ It's basically split in the middle, and it responds to touches below the split only... So I contacted the seller and he said he'll send me a new display for it, but I don't know how long that's gonna take to arrive + how I'm gonna replace it (he said I'd need to take it to a shop to be done, so we'll see... ). Good thing is, since I installed the ISO-harnesses into the car, I could just plug our Fiat's original stereo in there for now, so now I at least have something to listen to. It's nothing fancy but at least it has a CD-player and works in general. The car's aerial sucks though, so I'm gonna have to replace that sometime. Should be a pretty easy fix, I'll buy one that you glue onto the windshield and attach that to the original wires that go through the top of the car...
    Then I also don't have a rear window wiper on the car :D I'll probably get the motor from my mother in law's old Focus which is waiting to be scrapped, but I don't know how difficult that will be to install.

    Anyways, I'm pretty much gonna have to wait until spring before I do anything on the car, as it's the coldest (and darkest... ) time of the year around here now and I sure as hell am not gonna start fixing my car outside at -7 degrees (Celsius).
     
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    How does everyone's car hobby affect their gear hobby? I've been eyeing those new PRS Waring CEs, but after seeing the $2,500 price I decided to bin that idea. On the flipside, after moving to stiffer spring rates I've got around $2,500 invested in my shocks.

    Spending more than $800 on a piece of gear is out of the question in my eyes, but I don't even question vehicle modifications in that range :lol:
     
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    pretty much the same here

    I was looking at buying a Parker Maxxfly 7 string before I got the RX-7 and thought "nah it's too much money, I could have a car instead" not realizing that the car was going to cost me 4 times what the guitar woulda been... so far

    still gotta get some new gauges, AFR controller, EGT probe, maybe new coilovers... need a second job
     
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    p0ke 7-string guitard

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    More fun stuff with the Focus :lol: Nothing major this time though. The driver side windshield wiper started to become a bit sluggish and started to get entangled with the passenger side one. So I googled and found a pretty easy solution: tighten the bolt that attaches it to the motor. So I did, but the damned bolt was so corroded (no surprise there really, it's probably been there since '99) it snapped. Now it's working and feels pretty tight, but it will loosen and come of eventually. So the next operation will be to take the whole assembly apart and replace the bolt.
     
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    Test drove some cars the past few days, not necessarily thinking of getting out of anything yet, but just seeing what's out there:

    911 GTS - Very fun, they somehow made the engine sound better than it should for a turbo, 911s just handle so damn well and are so easy to drive, I still kinda miss the Turbo S. It's quick, but I think I'm becoming desensitized to speed, definitely not scary fast but that might have just been the cold and lack of grip? This is the 2WD version, and it was 30 degrees out, so I wasn't really pushing it too hard, but it still gripped the road a lot better than I thought it would given the rubber and weather...

    F-Type SVR - This thing pulls, has an incredible sounding engine and feels like somewhere between a sports car and muscle car. It's heavy, and with it being cold out I didn't really get to push the handling or get a real feel for it, but it seemed competent for sure. Interior was very nice, and the seats seem A LOT more comfortable than the R that I tried. The price they are asking is actually pretty reasonable for what it is as well. Really glad this car is AWD haha.

    BMW M2 - The DCT version. Good DCT in this car, I love the chassis, so tight and fun. I think I just love small lightweight cars, they are just inherently fun. Really dig the engine in this. The car is quick, fun and responsive too. I don't know if the steering is electric or not, but despite it feeling heavy, it's not quite as connected as you would expect, still good overall, and the car itself is definitely the only M car that is remotely of interest to me right now.
     
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